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Brian, I see your point regarding Sterling and as Mak hinted maybe he is one player that could be replaced. I actually rate Sane higher than him but feel he will be off to Bayern in the summer. You could sell Sterling and get Sancho back for example, would City fans be happy with that?
Not 100% sure on the facts but aren’t City facing problems regarding their home grown players requirement? Believe it’s 8 out of the 25 man squad. So players like Stones and Sterling will have much higher importance to the team.
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HH, just want to comment on a couple of points you bring up. The Salah miss, on TV it looked as much as a horror as in real life! As the game went on and Utd upped the pressure I started to think that was the defining moment of the match, thankfully I was wrong. Regarding the disallowed goal, I was also very surprised the ref did not blow straight away, and when Firmino scored I didn’t celebrate as I knew it would be chalked off. VvD, whilst had his arms down, did jump into de Gea so a clear foul. Keepers are overly protected these days but not this incident. If VvD jumped just upwards and it was De Gea that jumped into him and then dropped it or couldn’t get to it then it shouldn’t be a foul.
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Sterling? Really? Know he’s off form but he’s one of your best players surely.
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Adlab you kinda answered your own question. Having all that possession, all those shots and all those corners doesn’t amount to much if the quality isn’t there.
So far Palace, whilst playing a way I’m sure City fans don’t appreciate, are executing their plan very well. Been impressed with their keeper, first time I seen him.
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Stats never tell you the quality of that possession or those shots.
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City have not been good this first half. Apart from de Bruyne against the bar they’ve created nothing. I disagree that the goal was against the run of play, having all the possession but doing nothing with it isn’t being well on top.
Having said that agree with Sean they’ll probably win 3-1.
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With Rashford you just know there will be the whole will he, wont he thing going on right up until one hour before kickoff when no one will be in the least bit surprised to see his name will be on the team sheet. Against Liverpool he is such an important part of Ole’s tactic that I think he’ll play even if not fully fit.
Probably run about ok for 20 minutes then struggle to move for the rest of the game whilst everyone asks why Ole never subbed him!
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Rashford had a slight injury so was on the bench but then came on and took a knock right? I didn’t see the game but read it was just a collision injury rather than anything tissue or bone based so he should be ok.
Rashford or not I am actually looking forward to this one whereas I usually don’t. I hope for the same level of intensity as Liverpool shown vs Leicester.
Elsewhere, City should have no problems with Palace. I know Palace have caused problems before and before the reverse fixture earlier this season I thought they could again but then put in the a complete lackluster performance.
Watford v Spurs could be interesting. Watford showing good form recently and Spurs have big injury problems and I’m not convinced the manager change is having any positive effect.
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HH you make a good point about each team has a relative weak link in it. I think the first Utd team has the least weak links, with only Johnsen looking out of place (slightly). I think Irwin was underrated and pretty good, and Cole and York whilst not the best individually made a great partnership. I would say that team at it’s best would beat the modern day City and Liverpool teams yet they only got 79 points compared to the insane amount City and Liverpool get.
I read somewhere that today all teams play similar, as in playing out from the back, there are no Wimbledons anymore, so the variation factor has been lost on the matches of today, so matches are usually determined just by who has the better players. No sure myself, maybe slightly, probably combinded with other factors.
Regarding your team, agree with most, but probably have Rio instead of Terry. Maybe also Viera instead of Keane. Would be very difficult to decided between them.
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To be honest the comment from Nil about earning crust and paying taxes I just dismissed as Nil talking total rubbish and making no sense. Not nice for you to read Mak clearly and understandable, but for me it is none of my business if you work or not, if you sleep or not, and defiantly none of his either. I often post early, why? Because I’m up at 04:45 to start work at 6 (and I’m an hour ahead of you lot), but I don’t expect anyone to care and neither should we about anyone else. Nil clearly has a mental block on knowing how to behave within a social situation, or at least within an online social group.
My girlfriend is a Psychologist and I keep telling her if she ever wanted to study bizarre behavior then an online football forum is the place to go. By the way Mak, I also told her about that time you called me histrionic, she agreed 😀
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Well that was bizarre behavior, completely understand Ed’s actions. Nil if you are reading this, maybe go away for a while and try and have a think about your actions. That attack on Mak was completely unprovoked.
Back to the big game this weekend, Liverpool have a number of payers back in training but it is probably too soon for them. The Echo ran an article saying because of his importance to the team and how he played against Utd last season that Fabinho may start but I think a place on the bench is his best chance.
I think the only choice for Klopp is who to play in midfield along side Hendo and Gini. Out of Lallana or Ox I would choose Ox. Lallana has been playing very well so that might sound harsh, but it’s purely tactical. If Ole goes like the reverse fixture then he will try and nullify TAA and Robertson. With Ox, Klopp can give it 15-20 minutes and see if they are getting any joy, if TAA is being marked out of the game again, Ox can move to the right wing to overload along with TAA, Salah moves to no 9 and the team goes 4231. This is similar to what Klopp did last time with Hendo moving out wide when we were struggling to break Utd down.
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Coutinho is a bit hot and cold for Bayern. They may want him but I get the feeling not for the agreed price. I think they’d rather go for Harertz, who is younger, far more potential, maybe cheaper (factor in wages also) and German.
Werner was always earmarked as Lewandowski’s replacement. Problem is, Lewandowski does not appear to be slowing down at all, with 19 goals in 17 league games already! Werner could still move and get game time on the wings before moving to no 9 when Lewadowski calls it a day.
Havertz plays more forward than the forward midfielder in Liverpools 3. If he signed, it would mean a slight change of tactic. He would compete with Ox and Keita for that more forward role. I still think even if he signed Klopp’s midfield choice would be Gini-Fab-Hendo all being fit as that is by far the best for Liverpool’s tactics.
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Not from the German press mate no, seems all the talk is from Spain (why would a Spanish paper have knowledge about an English team buying from German?!). Both LFC and Utd have had an interest for a while but all the talk over here is that he will be a Bayern player next season. If they get him, Sane and Werner as also rumored that could be one heck of a good transfer window!
Can’t see LFC spending that amount on someone that wouldn’t be an automatic starter.
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Agree with Mav on this one, Utd could of got 4 or 5 in the first half vs City, they cut City apart and had very good chances.
Wish people would stop bringing up stats as a way of making a point. Not a go at you Nine, even professionals in the media do it all the time. What stats don’t tell you is the quality of those chances, how effective was their 72% possession etc? Can be very misleading.
I love efficient counter attacking football, prefer to watch it at it’s best far more than possession style.
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So Liverpool travel to Shrewsbury. Hard luck Nine, know you were keen for Bristol City to get through. Still that’s a dream tie now for The Shrews.
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Mak, it’s 12 wins or 10 if one is against City.
But as you say, the next two is what we should focus on. Two tough games although I’m more worried about Wolves than Utd at Anfield. Think after these we have the 4th Round of the FA cup, then West Ham (A) and Southampton before the 2 week winter break. After that it’s squeaky bum time with the finishing line coming into sight.
It’s a tough January for Liverpool but we are doing well so far. February and March are easier on paper but for City it looks very tough, some big away fixtures. All Liverpool need to do is focus on winning their next game and not worry about City, even if they start smashing every team by 6 from now on.
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Well Spurs do have history on getting their targets mixed up. Wasn’t there a rumor that Redknapp wanted a very young Zaha but spelt it with an S and got Louis Saha instead? Probably rubbish but funny all the same!
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You’re right Mak theres no right or wrong answer, just wanted a discussion.
Anyway all were or still are great sides.
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I’m merely steering the thread away from a simple “they won this and that and so are the best” to a more objective look at the teams. LFC has been mentioned a lot recently as the best ever in the media, and by yourself in your last post, but I don’t think so. And I don’t think City was either. We have seen some great teams in the last 20 years, yet the two I think are not the best are the two that have recorded the highest points totals (Liverpool last year before I get accused of being presumptuous).
Maybe I should of asked if they all played each other in a league format and assuming they are all at their peak age and condition who would win. Then, if as I predict people would choose the teams from the earlier Premiership days, ask the question what has changed and why. Saying different era or whatever is true, but why?
I appologise if this has mislead or confused anyone on here, I thought it was a reasonable opportunity to talk about football at a more thoughtful level.
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The thing I noticed is that everyone is lauding the teams achievement rather than the actual team. Take City’s team for instance, they got 100 points, that is fantastic, but they also had Delph and Otanmendi in defence. Do they belong in a best ever team? Looks pretty weak to me.
I said early Utd’s team of 99 was the best but not for what they won but for the quality and balance. I also think the Arsenal and Chelsea teams would also give them a good game too. But looking at the league table for that year they “only” got 79 points, yet City won with 100 in what I think is a team of lesser quality.
So what’s changed? Are the winning teams (City, maybe Liverpool) actually that much better these day? Has the league got that much worse over the years? Or is the standard of coaching and management at the best clubs now at a much higher level? I genuinely don’t know, maybe a combination of all three.
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