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Just seen the utd City highlights and although I had a giggle at Adlabs comments I agree with him it shouldn’t have counted. I understand the rules but the rules themselves are for offside are just simply illogical. If you are offside but still affecting play like Rashford clearly was then you are offside in my opinion.

For the record the Salah goal the other day should have been chalked off but the rule makers seem to have removed common sense from the decision. Was again an incident I understand why it was given just think it shouldn’t have been.

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What don’t you agree with?

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I know it’s not about individuals. Nunrz or Thiago are not the reason we have been so poor

You contradicted yourself in one sentence, saying its not about individuals then defending individuals. Tells me you still aren’t getting what I’m saying.

Mistakes, again from individuals, happen for a reason. Extra pressure from supporters, extra stress etc. To me it’s because they are put in such situations to make mistakes more often do due the tactical debacle and its a vicious circle.

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Sean, yes he’s been our best midfielder but look beyond personal performances and what it means for the team. He changes the system, the style, the freedom of others. Same with Nunez but you think I just have an agenda against him which i dont, i dont like the direction his signing is taking us. Elliot can be a player for us but it depends on what team Klopp puts out.

I said before the season started that Haaland would score a shed load but City would be a worse team than last season. Ronaldo was the best striker at Utd but the worst player to have on the pitch. Football is never about individuals it’s about the team.

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By the way was busy this afternoon so just caught up on the scores and this forum. Great entertainment Adlab!

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CM I’m one of the few liverpool fans that actually agree with you regarding Thiago. We are slowly transitioning from a energy team to a technical team and his signing was the start of it. If you play him and Fabinho together you need a world class energy player along side them which Henderson sadly isn’t anymore and Elliot is tactical suicide.

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When someone mentions pressing monster I think of Henderson, Mane, Kante. I had a look at the list of the highest average and its pretty surprising.

Wout Weghorst
33.2
Kalvin Phillips
28.7
Sean Longstaff
27.3
Allan
26.7
Mathias Jensen
26.2
Pierre Lees-Melou
26
Connor Gallagher
25.6
Mateusz Klich
25.3
Fred
24.8

For Wolfsburg I think he played with two wide forwards very close to him and the width offered by wing backs in a 343 formation. He was probably a lot more isolated at Burnley.

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Hard to hide when you’re nearly 2 meters tall!

But pressing monster? Can run? Is this the same player, the one that was asked by a club team mate after scoring for The Netherlands against Wales why he couldn’t do that for Burnley? Not sure he is what Utd need to be honest.

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Adlab it’s about context, what was insinuated and why. It could be completely innocent or it could be very inappropriate. We will never know what exactly was said and how but for whatever reason H+M have implied it was racist. Up to the public to believe them or not.

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Will Felix fit the Chelsea system? You’ll soon have him and Havetz and neither are strikers, and then at the end of season they swap Felix for Nkunku who again isn’t a striker.

I wanted either Felix or Nkunku at Liverpool to take over the Firmino role before we got Nunez. But Liverpool have goal scoring wide players and at least used to press which a forward dropping onto midfield helps with.

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Adlab i assume you’re talking about someone in royal family (William isn’t it?) expressing concern if H+M baby would be black or not? Bit different to having private thoughts about a forthcoming granddaughter’s appearance. Unless your thoughts were negatively regarding the skin colour like I believe Harry is insinuating then yes it is racist.

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Extremely talented and more than just pace. Won a lot but I feel will never be spoken about as one of the greats. He had the talent to be just not the mindset. Very far from being a top, top pro.

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Salahs goal was given i think because as soon as the wolves player touched it intentionally it was a new phase of play now being the goal one. The previous phase is not considered. As you know you can’t be offside from an opposition intentional touch. This I think is by the rules but it seems wrong as the defender wouldn’t have touched it if Salah wasn’t offside in the first place.

Wolves goal offside from the pass back to the wolves corner taker? No VAR that could check that so went with the on field decision. The scorer was never offside.

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Awful also by Thiago doing the very predicable step over and losing it in a very dangerous place.

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Often hear who else is available for managerial jobs but I think sometimes the search needs to forget about household names and look to the foreign leagues. Someone with a growing reputation that has a style that fits the club.

Brighton did this replacing Potter with de Zebri and I think he’s looking pretty good so far. Bet none of us would have put him down on a list for a Premier league appointment.

Sean, our running stats are shocking this season. Think Mikus asked, is it a shift of style or a result of our injury situation? I have read that it’s Peps influence, that he has the idea to lessen the intensity to save the legs for later in the season. Pep is gaining more influence as Jurgen is slowly handing over the reigns.

Not sure about that, I would hope any change of style would be Klopps decision but we don’t know what is going on in his mind and if he is indeed slowly handing over responsibilities.

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Mikus agree to an extent to what your saying and I get what you mean when you mention City and their policy. Also heard that Gakpo was a Klopp choice and that (forgotten his name) is moving on at the end of the season due to differences in thr recruitment policy. Is that a bad thing, that the manager who determines the style should decide on the recruitment for his system? For me it should be a two way thing but Klopp should have final say.

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You’re missing my point about Nunez. Yes he runs, but he runs forward very directly. Firmino dropped deep which created space for others to exploit. Nunez doesn’t do that. Against a high line he will be very effective, against a low block like last night after they scored he won’t be.

It’s never just Nunez’s fault, the midfield fault, Keita’s fault, aging players fault, Salah’s contract fault, Nil’s fault, or anyone specifics fault. It’s the team that is wrong, it’s set up wrong from the forwards to the centre backs. The only thing that is working is Alisson is still class. I disagree that Nunez is the least of our worries, he is part of the worry that I had at the start of the season and it hasn’t gone away. The press from the front is missing, the making of space for Salah is missing.

The midfield is a massive issue sure and probably our biggest. But it’s not in isolation.

I’m going to contradict myself and say it is actually someone fault and that is Klopps. We need to go back to the high intensity of a couple of years ago we calculated presses and strong runners in midfield. Or we go full in to the possesion style he seems to be trying to recreate and buy the right players. Currently we are a mess and neither one style or the other.

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Nil, neither Thiago or Fabinho have the legs for high intensity pressing. Previously Fab had Hendo, Gini, Milner etc who could do the high intensity pressing meaning he could make sure he was positioned to protect the back line. Now the press is bypassed leaving Fab with either players running at him or he has to cover a lot of ground leaving him and the defence exposed. He needs players with good pressing ability around him, neither Thiago or Elliot do. Look at the first goal, unfortunate OG but it came from a corner after Alisson saved another slice through our midfield.

Also regarding the press both Firmino and Mane would great at initiating that from the front. Salah and Nunez don’t.

You misunderstood what I said about Bobby, it wasn’t about him making space for him self but making space for others. Nunez as a more orthodox no 9 takes up the area that Salah likes to exploit. Its slightly offset by Nunez being more left of centre but not to the extent when Firmino dragged the CBs out of position. Salah has no area to exploit and against a low block team Nunez main asset in his direct running is nullified. We end up crowded out.

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Adlab “long balls” can and have been very effective in the past when they were better quality and we had better movement up front. Before we had Firmino dragging the CBs out of position leaving space for both Mane and Salah to attack. A quick accurate long ball was often devastating but now with Nunez more static that scenario no longer presents itself.

As I said during the match and I think Sean has also commented we need legs in midfield. If you play Fabinho and Thiago together you need a very strong runner with them, defiantly not Elliot. As we don’t have such a runner anymore with Henderson not as effective I would personally drop Thiago and play two that can run a bit, Hendo and Keita for example.

I said Nunez was unlucky not to score but looking at the attached still it’s hard to imagine how he didnt score. He either isn’t very good or is going through a terrible run of form and/or luck.

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Nil if you play low block with these players it would be far far worse than what it is now.

Yay 3 subs and very understandable ones. Let’s see what difference it makes…

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