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9s, offside cannot be determined to millimetres because the system is not accurate enough. At 25kmh which is an easy speed for players to run at 25mm takes less than 4/1000 of a second, I would suggest that the cameras don’t have that frame rate, add to that the best guess on when the balls played, which again is an opinion using cameras. If that’s the most accurate part, then the whole system is flawed….Pagan

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I think the first thing that needs to be defined is what exactly clear and obvious actually is. For me that’s would you expect the officials to have seen it and be 100% sure he’s made a correct decision. Being offside by an inch running at full pelt and also trying to see when the ball is played is not clear and obvious. The handball in the Liverpool non goal was also not clear and obvious as there’s no way the ref could have seen it from his position.

If the VAR officials have to look at different angles multiple times to come to a decision that’s not clear and obvious.

The ref needs to make the decisions himself, if he looks at the monitors and immediately knows he’s made a ruck of it then fair play, that’s clear and obvious.

Also in respect to offside, do any of the techy folks know what the frame rate is if the cameras are?

….Pagan

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Mak, if the players play in the winter break, then it ceases to be a break. The break isn’t there due to it being winter….Pagan

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Blimey Mr. Balance, I thought you loved VAR, has something happened recently that’s changed your mind??…Pagan

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9s, I get China is a booming market, but the next one could be held in Europe, which may not tick all the boxes. Yep probably a good tournament, but we’re slowly heading for a 12 month season…Pagan

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That’s the thing about footy, you have to laugh otherwise you’d go mad, VAR sold as the magic bullet to solve all the reffing problems, not quite Ronseal is it, glad it amused you….Pagan

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Sean, yep, it should have read free kick, well he didn’t stop it as it was blatantly obvious he wasn’t hurt. As he didn’t think it was a foul he wouldn’t stop the game, although he could have stopped it for a head injury as he may have banged his head when he dived to the ground.

The question you have to ask is was the minimal contact enough to put him to ground, if not then he threw himself to the ground in order to con the ref. It’s a bit like a fisherman’s tale, he may have caught a fish, but not the monster he says it was. So when does the exaggeration become a lie? and is lying cheating?

Yes you see free kicks given for less, that doesn’t make it right though, I for one am fed up with diving, exaggeration, blatantly claiming throw ins and corners when it clearly the other way…Pagan

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Sean, handball, yes by the current law, foul on Ogiri? My thoughts are it’s a contact sport and if all contact becomes a foul, then that’s no longer the case, I’m sure if I walked up behind you and gave you a little tap with my toe on your calf you’d not be best pleased, but I doubt you’d throw yourself to the floor. For me he was playing for a penalty by vastly exaggerating minimal contact. I’m also sure you’d know the difference between your left calf and right ankle…..Pagan

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9s, you had a very experienced ref, he was the one running round in the middle blowing his whistle, or not as the case may be, he should have watched it himself and decided if he was happy with his initial decision….Pagan

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Taking up Chuckles point, it will probably be in addition to post and pre season tours, you still have to keep sponsors happy and grow the global fan base…Pagan

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Two things from that.

That’s what makes the prem so good, relegation fodder taking points off the league leaders

If you dress like Spurs you play like Spurs

???…..Pagan

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MAK, it makes handball a black and white decision, which removes opinion and allows VAR to be used without debate (or so they thought)…Pagan

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Did it hit his hand? Yes, by the new laws is it then handball? Yes, was it clear and obvious? No. Can’t wait for New (I love VAR) Balance’s melt down…Pagan

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There was slight contact, but if you went down like that in real life there’d be carnage at the January sales….Pagan

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Adlab, I did the calculations the other week, at 25kmh an inch is takes about 4/1000 of a second, the cameras don’t work to that accuracy. To me clear and obvious is you take one look and if you say “I’ve made a right hash of that” then it’s clear and obvious. It’s a common sense decision that takes practically no time…Pagan

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9s, and that’s the point, is an inch offside when it’s only a best guess when the ball actually moves forward a clear and obvious error, but some are quite happy to say it is.

Who actually decides what is clear and obvious?

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Wouldn’t argue with any of that Chuckles, both penalty claims could have been given by the ref and there wouldn’t be too much arguing, but I don’t think they were howlers of decisions that they weren’t given. As for the hand ball, on close inspection and close examination I think it was handball, but again it was nowhere near a clear and obvious error and as such the goal standing is correct.

If VAR is the all seeing eye that eliminates all errors in the refereeing, and works to the letter of the laws, then I would say it got all 3 decisions wrong, so what’s the point in having it if it makes the same mistakes as the ref….Pagan

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CM, personally I think the best solution would be to just ditch it, but that isn’t going to happen unfortunately.

What we need is consistency, ideally across the league but firstly in each individual game.

So for individual games, all decisions that are reviewed to be reviewed pitch side by the ref, he and he alone should decide if he wants to review a decision he has given, an independent ref to tell him to review something he has not seen as opposed to not given (off the ball incidents) Goals to still be reviewed if the ref wants to, and offsides to be reviewed for a clear and obvious error, not the stupid margins that we see now that cannot be done to that accuracy as it’s only a guess when the ball has started to move forward.

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Chuckles, what are your views on the VAR decisions during the Spurs match yesterday?
Possible penalty for Spurs
Possible penalty for Watford
Handball in the Spurs equaliser
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Lucky, that’s true about fibre, but the fibres owned by BT and Virgin, which may be a problem.

How about giving the people’s game back to the people….Pagan

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