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I think they lack established quality at the top of the pitch. That’s asking an awful lot to pin hope on to a bright 20 year old.
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Sterling a good acquisition, but Chelsea need more in attack for me. Tuchel also concerned. As it stands could see Spurs finishing above them, who are on the rise under Conte.
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Wonderful news Nine, my best wishes and continued prayers for you.
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Who clicked on Arsenal & Man Utd? Or were you just testing the buttons Ed? 😆
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Whilst we are on behaviour, something needs to be done about cheating and diving. Some pundits call this professional..no its cheating. Professional is when you don’t cheat.
Again, Adlab, I think this all links back to us fans now wanting to win at all costs. If you’re on the receiving end of a dive, you’re furious. If one of your players does it and wins a penalty, suddenly, you tend to look the other way. Just look at the hate all this drives. Look at the absurd salaries we’re funding. We get too obsessed and demanding with it all.
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Cream always rises to the top and whatever sport anyone plays and at whatever level you have to give your all.
I don’t disagree with that Nine, and even decades ago you had teams and players who were still dominant. So you can’t change that reality. But what you can change or reduce is the over seriousness with which we, the viewing public, attaches to these things, which in turn would create fewer dominant periods as that culture would filter up to the players as our demands would reduce. You’d also probably reduce the bad behaviour of some fans.
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Just to be clear, I’m not so much advocating bad behaviour, more that I’d rather see more expressive off the cuff performances as opposed to machine like strategies formulated to dominate and wear the opposition down where even a draw can no longer be tolerated. Some of the most important stats now are how far players have run and how many sprints have been made. Is that really what fans should be getting excited about?
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Nil, you’ve hit the nail on the head. Personality. That’s what we’ve lost. My fellow Liverpool fans may not appreciate me saying this, but Real Madrid played with real personality in the CL this season and thats what won it for them. Many of their games were great to watch, particularly the PSG ties. They were entertainment pure and simple. Ancelotti of course instils discipline but he let’s his teams play and they have personality. That’s why theve won the CL so many times and why the English teams just can’t dominate that competition the way the Spanish teams have. City and Liverpool dominate the ball and completely squeeze the opposition, but it didn’t really help them to dominate the CL. Interesting that.
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We’ve definitely lost something Ed, particularly over the last 15 years or so. The big money has helped fuel some of it in terms of business like objectives and looking for perfection. And sports science and fitness has developed a lot also. Of course you want players to take their profession seriously and give everything, but not to the point where they almost lose the idea of actually enjoying it. And you do wonder as I say, if you asked a lot of these players behind closed doors whether they’re enjoying their football with the obsessive managerial demands now, how many would actually say yes? Is this partly why you don’t tend to get players staying for the long term now? Is this generally why managers have a short self life now?
I was always moved at the end of that wonderful film “Senna” – when asked who was the best driver he raced, he didn’t say it was anyone during his F1 career. He instead he said it was someone he raced during his earlier go karting days when it was just pure racing, no politics or anything, no money involved. That always stuck with me.
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Fascinating thread for those interested in the situation at Barcelona.
#FCBarcelona have announced the signing of Rapinha from #LUFC for €58m, while a deal to acquire Robert Lewandowski from Bayern Munich for €50m is agreed in principle. The question is how can they possibly afford these players, given their well-documented financial problems?
— Swiss Ramble (@SwissRamble) July 18, 2022
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Hope you find some ears Sean 😆
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If I was Utd, I’d view the coming season like Rodgers first season at Liverpool. Forget top 4 or any targets like that. The emphasis should be a new start, new football, new culture – get that in place first, and give the man time. Don’t expect miracles. And don’t reach for the big cheque book if progress isn’t seen immediately. That all said however…Rodgers did still have the likes of Suarez, Sturridge, Gerrard, Coutinho (later in the season) so you do still need some quality in there. Maybe Utd could get to January before getting some in. For all that’s said about January, Liverpool have probably bought some of their best players in that window – Van Dijk, Suarez, Coutinho, Sturridge, etc.
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I think he’s a very tempting player to go for from an owner’s perspective.
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Ornstein saying that Chelsea are monitoring the situation.
🚨 EXCL: Chelsea considering Cristiano Ronaldo move. Man Utd currently say not for sale but #CFC monitoring & not ruling out. Mendes talks continue – Boehly/Eghbali intrigued by idea. Tuchel admires 37yo but unclear if he would approve @TheAthleticUK #MUFC https://t.co/oFgWSX1b8q
— David Ornstein (@David_Ornstein) July 4, 2022
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All players use clubs to some extent. And the bigger the player, the more power they have to make moves happen.
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Not sure he’d have got the same game time at City under Pep and don’t think that would have gone down well with him. The problems at Utd have been long in the making and lie quite deep. When he suddenly became available last summer, I think Utd saw him as an easy fix to send the club further up the table but didn’t think much exactly how it would affect the balance of the team. Yes there were other problems at the club but I think Ronaldo was basically a big sticking plaster the club tried to put on the club when the problems were deeper and hence he got his rewards out of it with his goals and stature but Utd didn’t.
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Ed, I think he completely used you for the season. Now you’re out the CL, you’re disposable. Maybe not a bad thing for Ten Hag who no longer has to worry about managing him.
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Adlab, just to be clear, it’s not so much that I think keeping Salah is the wrong decision, more the bending of the club towards him, and you don’t tend to see this kind of thing at City or Chelsea, who are less reliant on individuals and tend to use players rather than players using them. Alas, we’ve become too dependent on Salah and his goals which I think put him in the driving seat over negotiations.
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Adlab, as I say, he’s an outstanding league player with top stats. I just think his ego has taken off a bit too much with the hype and needs reining in a bit. He’s a great player but not an all time great for me. Klopp’s statement about wanting Salah to be the face of the project sort of indicates to me that the club is bending a bit too much towards the player.
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I share some of your scepticism nil over Salah. Look there’s no doubting his talent and achievements, and in the first half of last season he played like the no.1 player in the world. But there are also times I think where he plays far too selfishly and it’s as though he’s more interested in his own records than the club’s. Some may say that’s inevitable with the fame and centre of attention he’s become at the club. I think the way to view Salah is that he’s a hard working winger who exceeds expectations in the goals he scores but I don’t think he’s quite up there with the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Drogba, Henry, etc. He flirts with genius but for me isn’t consistently genius to be considered an all time great. And his record in finals alludes to this I think. On the other side, he’s an outstanding league player with top stats and is rarely injured. Hopefully the new competition will help keep him on his toes because I just worry the hype has gone to his head in recent years, particularly with that comment before the Madrid game of ‘having a score to settle.’
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