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I think a problem at Utd is the owners just seem to be reacting to appease the fans – I think from signing Ronaldo, appointing Ole full time, buying big name players in previous years, appointing Ten Hag now – it all seems to follow the fans wishes but with little or no depth to how they plan to make it all work. Indeed, the club hasn’t won a trophy for 5 years now, so these appointments in recent years to install a more long term man seem to be making things worse for the club. Most managers in the modern game now only last 2-3 seasons at best, with managers like Klopp & Guardiola being exceptions. So there’s no direction – when Ole was on his last legs last season, the club didn’t have a clue what to do. To chop and change suddenly for someone like Conte was not going to happen because there was too much inertia in setting themselves up down a path of a longer term appointment. Meanwhile the clubs just seems to keep blowing money in the transfer market. It’s like watching a tragedy play out year on year.
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Indeed Brian, I think Klopp came across a perfect storm a few seasons ago with that front 3, a very efficient midfield, and a back five with a very good new goalkeeper and Van Dijk introduced. And some of that has been lost and it’s very hard to recreate it. Problem is City are so good at sustaining their success.
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Football is a game won by the team that makes the fewest mistakes. I’m afraid for all Trents world class ability up top, he costs us too much at the back over a season. Yes, the team’s won big trophies with him, but not the same amount as City have over recent years. The midfielders are also aging and out of form and so exacerbating the problems. There are also issues up top. As I’ve said before, Klopp can paper over these problems with great effect with the high work rate and press of the team. But I think its now got to the point where he’s struggling to do that. C’est la vie.
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It’s a testament to Klopp he was able to get the team within 1 point of City last season. What he’s created is a street fighter type side as I think Gary Neville said last season. But as I said in the predictions thread, the midfield is aging now and isn’t what it was. And up top they’ve lost the magic and fizz that front 3 had a few seasons ago and its to be seen how well Nunez will develop. So whilst I didn’t think we’d start this poorly, I just can’t see Klopp repeating last season’s achievements. Also at what point do we say Trent is becoming a liability regardless of his passing ability.
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He’s still quite raw Ed, in more ways than one.
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And Fabinho poor again.
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Just something not quite right with us at the moment. We work hard, we dominate the ball, but our final ball and decision making in the box has been lacking for some time. Elliot been bright, but Salah just goes for glory too often when a better pass/opportunity is on. Even if we go on to win, there’s food for thought.
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Completely agree Lucky, it’s pathetic that the media is trying to make something of this. It was clear as day the context Graeme was talking in. Have actually just been watching a bit of Souness on talksport with Simon Jordan – some really good debates, he’s been a great addition.
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Great game. Spurs now more gritty under Conte. How Utd could have done with someone like that.
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Lovely goal by De Bruyne yesterday, it really does look business as usual with City. Arsenal looking good too it has to be said – whilst I have doubts about Arteta at the top level, there seems a close knit group of hungry players there and it looks a good foundation to build on, and the few players theyโve signed are certainly building on it. Theyโre certainly in a better shape and position to Utd who have tried to do the same but I think have been all over the place with their recruitment.
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That’s it Brian, any kind of hope De Jong will come now you’d think is dead in the water. I mean when Rodgers came into Liverpool, we also had an awful start and think we were in the relegation zone for a while. But there were very much characters in the dressing room with players like Gerrard, Carragher, Suarez, etc, and they started rising up the table fairly quickly. But this Utd team have been together a while and shown very little in the way of character. Hard to see things improving with this lot.
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It just seems to me that the owners react/appease to the fans wishes (signing up Ole, appointing Ten Hag, still spending big on big players like Sanchez and Di Maria) but they just seem to expect everything else to take care of itself.
The below tweet from Fabrizio Romano, if right, just seems to show the board reacting to the fans rather than being proactive and having a plan.
Behind the scenes. Bologna expected Manchester United to submit a new bid for Marko Arnautoviฤ later this week around โฌ13/14m. But after fans complaints, Man Utd board told Bologna on Tuesday morning that the deal is off. ๐ดโ #MUFC
No chance to discuss again – it's 100% over.
— Fabrizio Romano (@FabrizioRomano) August 10, 2022
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Didnโt Moyes also ask for players that werenโt delivered? Not been right for some time now and we all saw this coming. Meanwhile the club just continues to drift.
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I think a part of this is being fearful of VAR undermining referees and that if you kept changing decisions thereโs probably a feeling at the top that it wouldnโt reflect well on the on field referee. But why was that incident not get referred to the monitor which would better maintain the integrity of the referee as he can then say he then saw something he missed. With incidents as pivotal as penalties, I donโt think fans would mind the wait as much.
As for making public the conversations between VAR and the referees after the game, that may hopefully speed up the changes in VAR we are looking for as it would quickly magnify disputes and it would be harder to defend the โclear and obviousโ line if everything is revealed.
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Iโm sure Ed, and I agree he needs the structure and not necessarily writing him off yet, but think Conte would have been that bit more ruthless.
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This is why I think you should have gone for Conte Ed. Yes I know there are worries about him being a short term manager, but he would certainly have shaken things up at the club which you need big time and he wouldnโt have tolerated this. Ten Hag I think is too nice in that sense. The whole situation just feels like rinse and repeat from previous appointments.
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Nil, seem to remember a commentator saying about Torres at Liverpool was that he just “glides”, and Haaland certainly does.
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Adlab, are you seriously worried you might not win this game now? ๐
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Nil, just think a lot of it was people hoping it would mess City’s style up, but Haaland is so class and deadly that it’s pretty much irrelevant if they had to change a bit.
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Never understood concerns about City adapting to Haaland – he’s so class it doesn’t matter. Top strikers never miss one on one’s like that. Top class.
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