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If Potter had held out at Brighton, he could have waited for the Spurs job which would have made much more sense for both parties for me.
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Fortunately lucky, we have an opportunity to see exactly who is the shitter on Tuesday.
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It’s a very fair point Banjo. Whilst one can still make some criticisms of Spurs this season, they currently sit in 4th spot, well above Liverpool & Chelsea.
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Not to throw stones from my glass house, but sacking Tuchel increasingly looks a very unwise decision by Chelsea this season. You need some stability somewhere with all these new signings and to change the manager as well you’d think has given the team little to coalesce around.
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Klopp has always worked best with his teams with an underdog mentality. Be it at Mainz, later at Dortmund and when he started at Liverpool. Hence the collective strong mentality with pressing developed to beat teams you should have no right of beating. The problem is after our successes we’ve lost that underdog mentality and there is an expectation now and the players statures have obviously grown too. So it’s harder to maintain that mentality with those players, exacerbated by little competition coming in to put pressure on them. Hence the players are cycling between playing well, then drifting back and not performing again until another mini crisis occurs. More players coming in the summer for the problem areas should obviously help, but we also need a load more competition for places too.
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The problem is we can’t sustain our success the way others have, so some of the players have got too comfortable. Apparently there will be spending in the summer. How much and how effective it will be is another question.
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Sean, a problem is that Klopp tends to make teams better than they actually are. So when he first came in, he could do that and build them up. Now though, I think some of these players egos have gone through the roof and they’re still trying to live off previous success. And with little squad depth there’s no one to put pressure on them.
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A problem we have is we’re away to Chelsea several days later, so that’s City away and Chelsea away in just 4 days so we’ll have to rotate which were not good at at the moment. Yes, everyone has congested fixtures this season, but that run really doesn’t do us any favours.
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We’re capable of scoring goals and playing well but in parts only. We seem to have zero game management capabilities. At Anfield, we’d have half a chance. But away, it looks less likely. On the other side of the coin, theres no big expectation on us and City are obviously desperate to close the gap on Arsenal. Our midfield 3 of Henderson, Fabinho & Elliot seems to be our most successful this season. If they play, I might feel better about our prospects.
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Refreshing to see such humility from Son. Very very few players would come out and said that. They’d probably be worried about affecting their brand.
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That said if Arsenal win the Premier league this season they will have done it without being in the CL.
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Completely accept Banjo top 4 opens up access to the best players. So there’s no problem with top 4 being a stepping stone. But we all know it can fast become a target every season of aiming to just stay in the top 4 which may provide excitement in the CL but you can end up going no where really. You have to use the revenues and add to your squad whilst you’re in it. Arsenal under Wenger towards the end never seemed to do that. And neither did Spurs under Poch, though was it the case both teams used the funds to help fund the stadium?
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Alas, that’s the problem for me. The top 4 has become a “trophy” which creates excitement but obviously lacks the tangible feeling of winning something which instils something in players.
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Lucky, no doubt. But it’s that mentality for me that has to change. I obviously understand how lucrative the CL is, but I just find it interesting that when most big clubs reset, they tend to fall out the CL, a new manager comes in, hits the ground running, wins a domestic cup, that then buys them more time at the club, fosters a winning mentality, investment follows and the club starts to rise. Yes ok, some big clubs still have greater resources with the investment that comes, but I still think Spurs would have achieved more had they followed down this path rather than seemingly targeting top 4 relentlessly. Players are just going to lose motivation with such targets compared to actual silverware.
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I didn’t say better than top 4, I said win a trophy, ie a cup. Things like that help change the culture of a club, which is the point I’m making and what I think needs to change at Spurs.
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Think we’re starting to dance on the head of a pin here. If I was a Spurs fan, my beef would be that the club is just set up to achieve top 4 each season as opposed to actually trying to win a trophy. That’s what mentally has to change at the club. They lost to Sheffield Utd this season in the FA Cup. They shouldn’t be losing to them. You had Sevilla winning 3 Europa Leagues on the trot some seasons ago. Spurs have got no where near that. And Sevilla are hardly a huge club. Both Poch & Conte have lamented the mentality of players at the club. That’s really what the debate should be about.
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I do think another problem is the obsession with the lucrative top 4. I suspect in the Poch era that was the main target vs winning cups. Now you might argue it would have been hard to do both given Spurs situation at the time with the new stadium costs, but at some point a club has to win something if it wants to put itself on the map and build something for the longer term. As I say, there have been managers who have walked into big teams with mediocre players and won something or got to finals in their first seasons. And it’s then allowed them the time to build.
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Interestingly Poch made a similar point at a press conference some years ago albeit a lot more diplomatically about the problem of attracting players to come and want to win something.
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I’m not actually condemning Conte. I just thought he was the wrong fit for the club as they needed someone for the longer term. Also, admittedly, you do have to spend money more wisely at a club like Spurs and blowing money on Richarlison looked wrong at the time and looks wrong now.
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Well as I say, Liverpool often had to unearth players as opposed to buying superstars in their early days. They can be found, but you have to have the recruitment team to find them. Then, as the club rises, it can start to attract better players. Yes, of course its still a competitive market and money is a factor. But offering first team football is also attractive to the right players with the right mentality.
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