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Be interesting to see if there’s any immediate impact on the players and manager next week.
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Agree Keita was very frustrating today Mak. He seemed to do the difficult things well like dribbling with the ball into the box and driving forwards, but then was very casual with his final ball. But he does offer something different vs the rest of our midfield so let’s see hopefully where he can go staying fit with a run of games.
I actually thought Salah was equally frustrating today but you can forgive him more because of what we know he’s capable of and also because he’s so strong and can keep it high up the pitch and can always produce a rabbit out the hat even if he has a quiet game.
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Mané. Still my favourite player for us and probably one of our most important.
25 points clear. 10 clean sheets in the last 11. Bravo…
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Alisson so solid, even when our defence gets bypassed, you can almost still relax. Need to up it at the other end though.
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I suspect 2 years has been used as it actually invites a compromise punishment to 1 year after a possible appeal, or else a 1 year punishment would have been rescinded to nothing.
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Possible Premier League points deduction also possible…(can we make it for last year?)
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Steveo, the Cech one is a bit deeper than it looked at the time. One can still criticise Hunt, the attacker in the game but part of the problem also (if you didn’t already know) is that Cech was born one of triplets and as such had a thinner skull over that part of the brain compared to others, which I believe exacerbated the injury he had.
Quite an interesting read…
https://thelab.bleacherreport.com/the-horror-of-petr-cech-s-head-injury/
And it does pose the question – if such a detail about triplets was always known – why wasn’t Cech told to wear protection from day one of his career?
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This is a problem Mak – at what point does outmuscling an opponent become a foul? Should outmuscling be deemed as a foul if there is a genuine attempt to win the ball?
Van Dijk obviously had to make up ground, so you have one person with momentum and De Gea was pretty much stationary which is always going to look worse. If both keeper and attacker were running together for the ball it wouldn’t have looked as bad. And imagine if that was a corner with several more bodies around De Gea – would a foul still have been given? Not convinced it would have been. Either way, such an inconsistency needs reviewing in the laws of the game as things stand.
In the case of 2 midfielders jumping for a header in midfield, unless one deliberately doesn’t go for that ball, and just clatters in to the other player, then it’s not a foul for me. But obviously we see fouls given in such situations. I think referees like everyone, get spooked by the *consequences* of the coming together as opposed to the actual coming together in the first place.
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Catching the ball and using your arms/hands is obviously a special privilege the keeper has. But for me I don’t that means they have the *right* to always catch a ball, or why else do some keepers punch the ball? – they punch the ball because they know they can’t catch it cleanly in some situations because of being outmuscled. I think if a keeper has already caught the ball and then has it pushed out their hands by an attacker, then it’s a foul. Otherwise, it should be fair game for me because in some situations (like a corner where there are more attackers) a keeper will often punch – accepting they could be outmuscled by fouls on their arms, and in other situations they choose not to punch because they think they’ll get the foul because being outmuscled *looks* more explicit. So there’s an inconsistency there for me, which ever side of the fence you sit on.
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Problem for me Mak is that in that particular case, if we are to protect keepers, then Van Dijk shouldn’t have even bothered trying to go for the ball. The ball was nobody’s at that time and as such should both players not have been able to compete for it? De Gea could have opted to punch the ball in such a situation – but in some ways he was clever – by trying to catch it then lose it he probably knew he would get the foul given against him. Don’t think that’s fair for me. Unless the attacker used their elbows but that would be an immediate foul anyway.
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Jimmy Milner!
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Probably not Nine, and it will lead to a compromise that still isn’t great in my opinion – that could also still lead to frustration and headache.
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Personally, I would revert back to the way the game was, but leave the pitch side monitors up to be used by referees for incidents they didn’t have a clear view of (or for real clangers they missed). In such a scenario as this, you are using the technology as an aid – which is exactly what the purpose of it is. Instead, the technology has been using us, and changing the game in the process. So I’m not convinced such fine tuning is the answer. A discussion needs to happen at some point to ask fans what they really want out of the game.
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Think it goes deeper than that though, as the above thread discusses. Football is ultimately a simpler game compared to other sports, and one of the big attractions with it, is that it flows continuously. Even though there have always been moans from the crowds over some decisions, such moans actually quickly dissipated afterwards, and things were quickly forgotten, mainly because underneath all this, there is a consensus that football should be a game that’s allowed to flow, so we were prepared to live with it. Now however, VAR is fundamentally changing that by examining everything with a fine tooth comb. Then you have the problem with the new handball rules – not down to VAR many will say – very true – but such law changes are a result of the same thing that is driving VAR – the desire to “clean” the game from any grey areas and make things more black and white. This is the root of the whole problem – you either have a flowing game with grey areas, or you have a more stop-start one that’s more black and white. It’s very hard to find a middle ground or compromise on such things. For example, trying to factor in margins of error for offside is still difficult, and in any case, to do it properly, you would need Virtual Reality cameras placed around the stadium to examine the different perspectives and angles to more accurately determine such things and better calibrate the offside line. In any case, offside was never really designed to punish marginal offsides, it was to stop goal hanging, so it’s not in the spirit of the game anyway.
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This is one of the most thought provoking takes on the VAR debacle that I’ve seen, that really gets to the root core of the fundamentals and philosophy of the game and why VAR is ultimately struggling to cope with it. This line particularly stuck out:
“The risk is that football’s intrinsic simplicity is unsustainable in an era of technological complexity. Attempts to get more right decisions will unravel the consensus on which the game is based…”
Click on the link and read through the thread, well worth a read.
I’m at the Olympic Stadium and there is a break for a VAR check. It’s going on for a while, so I thought I’d take the opportunity to jot down a few thoughts about VAR. pic.twitter.com/2ybIULpMkq
— Daisy Christodoulou (@daisychristo) February 1, 2020
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Thank God we can finally put that old cliché to bed soon…it’s been like a 30 year old curse.
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And this one…
— James (@WhereRoss) January 19, 2020
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From my seat , Reds the sky’s the limit pic.twitter.com/H1UGKVpHWW
— pete greenow (@GreenowPete) January 19, 2020
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No shortage of iconic shots to use potentially at the end of the season for us. Some incredible ones in the replies to this tweet (after the Man Utd game)…
No better ceiling. ?? https://t.co/edsn4gJwns
— Gary Lineker (@GaryLineker) January 19, 2020
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Might be worth starting a new thread? Is it a problem when you reach a certain number of posts/pages? Also the posts on the home page on the thread state 846 whereas the actual number is 842 when you open the thread (as at the time of this post). No rush Ed, as HH says, first world problems and all…
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