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Steveo, this is already becoming a huge concern about the economy and the public in the longer term. Everybody is of course for saving lives, but we have to ensure we continually review the data and act out of reason and proportion, not panic, because as you say, the longer term consequences could be even worse if we’re not careful. And how stupid to have put ourselves in so much debt in the West over the last few decades, and not just because of the financial crisis. Now we need the credit card, we have little room left.
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At the same time, you can’t practically enforce a lockdown for 12 – 18 months. We’ll just have to hope that summer will reduce cases, the NHS capacity increases and various anti-viral drugs are found to be effective. Something will have to give eventually that allows the economy to recover.
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I suspect any continuation of the league would have to be completed behind closed doors. But I’m just wondering that since this thing now appears to be spread even without symptoms, whether everyone starts wearing masks when cases reduce that will allow the restrictions on social distancing to be somewhat lifted that would in turn allow part of the economy to restart. Admittedly, that would be difficult for bars and restaurants still where you obviously need access to your mouth.
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We’ll know a lot more in the next 14 days on how bad this thing is in Britain. But even if it proves not as bad as feared, the restrictions will surely have to stay in place a lot longer to keep the numbers as low as possible. If the season can continue, then I suspect it will be behind closed doors. But it will only take a few cases to pop up again in a few teams for the whole thing to stop again. I’d therefore be pretty pessimistic that the league can be completed. And I wouldn’t be too optimistic about next season to be honest. It’s a heck of a legacy this is going to leave us with this, but obviously our priority is everybody’s health and well-being.
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Very moving Pagan. In this day and age, we seem to have forgotten that we’re still mortal beings and have acted like gods. Obviously one hopes the spread is mitigated as quickly as possible, but if there is any good that comes out of it, it’s that we hopefully realise again how precious life is and the sacrifice many still make around us.
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Pagan, yes the Italians it seems were constantly one or two steps behind and have then had to quickly revert to the option of last resort. You can only hope now elsewhere what with widespread public awareness, people will be extra careful.
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We’ll see Sean, from my brief reading of various reports, South Korea appears to be one of the better ones out of the free law governed countries in the world and a lot of their response has been the ability to mass test and so quickly get a map of where the spread is and then convey that to the public, and shut down areas if required to. A blanket shutdown of everything, whilst sounding more reassuring, obviously causes other issues like children needing to be looked after, and we obviously need some kind of economy and workforce to still function and not everybody can work from home. It could also cause frantic panic buying again which puts everyone in close proximity with each other. I don’t think the answer’s easy with this and I think each country is constantly updating strategy on a daily basis, obviously keeping a close eye on the situation in Italy & South Korea, though I do think flights from northern Italy should have been suspended much earlier than they were.
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I think we’re going to have to now accept the inevitable.
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11th March 2020 at 11:16 pm in reply to: Champions League and Naughty Clubs: Round of 1/16 and 2/16 #84312Sean, we’ve been pretty guilty of not taking our chances this season though haven’t we? Still think we lack a natural creativity there, particularly from the midfield.
As for Adrian, yes he’s done ok at times. But I do think a ‘problem’ is this absolute necessity for keepers to now play the ball to feet. Adrian could have booted it, but he obviously kept it on the deck. If the pressure to do so comes from Klopp, then I’ll lay off Adrian somewhat. But if not, could we not have found better? Yes City also have gaffe prone Bravo, but do we also have to have our own gaffe prone keeper?
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11th March 2020 at 10:44 pm in reply to: Champions League and Naughty Clubs: Round of 1/16 and 2/16 #84292We’ve generally won games this season by killing the ball and dominating games. And by the law of averages over a game, we tend to win by the odd goal. But we’ve generally lacked a natural creativity, and there is food for thought for Klopp there. As for the keeper, he was obviously a weak link tonight. And I’m still a bit narked off with the last minute way we scrambled to find a second choice keeper last summer.
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The hopeful ‘better’ news seems that from the much more extensive testing in South Korea, the mortality rate looks more like 0.6%, as opposed to the 2-3 % being reported globally.
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Also take this recent clip of Lingard being abused. (Keep the volume low due to expletives if you’re in a public place).
And because he’s paid a lot, some fans see the abuse as justified and so normal (when it obviously should never be!)
Wrote about Jesse Lingard the other day https://t.co/xGk0bOlZCg Why should anyone, in any walk of life, be subjected to this kind of abuse? What is wrong with these people? https://t.co/H9c8bFhkOR
— Oliver Kay (@OliverKay) March 6, 2020
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Brian, you may have somewhat misunderstood me. I’m looking at the deep cultural side of why it’s now happening. Not saying it is good behaviour, but that it comes to be *seen* as a ‘good thing’ to do, to let it all out on the terraces for the reasons given above, and so it becomes acceptable. That’s obviously a bad thing but society has effectively been told it’s the new normal.
As ever, when a taboo is broken or a fence knocked down, people should ask why the fence was put there in the first place, the fence being ‘respect’ in this case.
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Interesting interview I watched some time ago with a journalist who wrote on culture, who was asked to cover a ‘friendly’ game between an English team and Roma. Many of the English fans were hurling obscenities at the Italians, and the journalist later asked one of them why they’d come all that way to shout abuse at Italian players and fans, to which the fan replied, “Well, you’ve got to let your hair down haven’t you?” To which journalist replied, but why? To which the fan had no response. And bear in mind this particular fan I think was a computer programmer, not just some drunken lout.
It does seem the idea that behaving badly has been accepted as a good thing, and that perhaps by doing so you’re releasing the tensions in you so you’re just being “true to yourself” as the journalist put it. And that’s I’m afraid is where we’re at. Bad things have come to be seen as good, healthy and even normal things.
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Bernardo’s post match interview a lot more open and candid then Pep’s rather awkward one.
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Looks a player Nine, doesn’t look out his depth at all amongst the seasoned pros, rather the opposite! Where’ve you been hiding him?
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Threeps, or maybe Fabinho just isn’t as good as the hype that built him up some months ago.
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Firmino’s been poor today.
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There needs to be a lot more urgency to win the ball back. That’s really been a large element of what our success is based on under Klopp, and obviously Henderson has epitomised that hence his absence has exacerbated things.
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Yeh Mak, it is disappointing. You’d have thought we’d have come out all guns blazing today. But still look too casual at times.
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