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Nine, just a point of information – deaths reported on a day do not mean deaths actually occurred on that day – it is a cumulative figure for deaths as they get reported over the last few weeks or so. Please see the third bar chart down for actual daily deaths:
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Given that the South East Asian countries seem to have recovered more quickly from this, whilst Europe will take longer, one wonders if the “game 39” proposal will quickly raise its head again to play a few games over there? There’s an even greater incentive now…
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As the old saying goes, nations don’t have friends or allies, only interests. The same is true of the clubs.
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“Gary Neville has suggested the idea of taking the Premier League abroad to a coronavirus-free quarantined environment to finish the season”…think that’s rather pie in the sky. Planning would be mammoth.
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We are now a highly risk averse society, with the added rule of lawyers to boot. And if you look at this in the context of football, with a lot of superstar players, of whom many, lets be honest, are at their respective clubs not for the local communities but for their *own* glory and their *own* purpose – how bothered will they be if they can or can’t complete their seasons or not? The free flowing global transfer market is far more dynamic than once it was; it’s a different game completely now. So there is actually a significant conflict of interests between the fans and the players that is usually kept in check by the united ambitions of the club during an active season. Take that away, and I’m afraid we’ll see what football clubs now really are – the temporary and expensive platforming of global talent for entertainment with little to no transmission or care to the community. Compare and contrast to the Bundesliga.
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I’m very sorry for your loss Brian, and alas, the general loss of such professionals in the country. Completely agree with you about apprenticeships; pushing everyone to go to university has, I don’t think, been particularly productive.
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Brian, you reminded me of this clip from that much to be admired and self sustaining country, Japan, of this old school engineering master, who is that dedicated to his profession, in some jobs he didn’t make a profit because quality and devotion trumped money. Isn’t that supposedly the socialist’s dream?…but here you have it without any coercion. We may be a bit poorer by being less globalised, but having our *own* professions and pride in them is worth far more than raw money…
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I agree the initial UK response was too laid back, though I think good hygiene and covering coughs and sneezes was still good effective advice and measures. However, given they knew it affected the elderly the worst, care homes should have been locked down immediately. And it also seemed strange there were still many flights coming in from Northern Italy and China when there were large outbreaks there.
I also think the rolling news didn’t help at that earlier time by reporting the official figures which were very small and always going to be a massive underestimate and I think people thus perceived the outbreak wasn’t too bad then, when as 442 rightly says, the horse was bolting at that time.
Then the UK obviously locked down though it will still be interesting to see how Sweden goes without such measures, and without them, they do still appear to be bringing things under control.
The better news seems to be that the actual fatality rate seems lower at more around 0.2/0.3% after initial antibody testing in the US & Germany.
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Pagan, alas, this is increasingly the problem with democracies. Many good people I fear are turned off from going into politics because of the constant bashing they get by 24 hour rolling news and social media, as well as the increasing pressure by many who see the state being able to solve all our problems.
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If only that were still so Pagan, but that time is long gone I fear since we welcomed global billionaires to the game. It’s a business first and foremost. Call me cynical, but any acts done by the clubs for the community only ever tend to be done for PR reasons, not much else. The focus is now success on a global scale, not the local community. Will this crisis reset things a bit? Don’t count on it.
I often think the German model is one to look up to, and I note that several of their big clubs swiftly brought in pay cuts.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52036612
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Pagan, no doubt. But it can’t be overlooked that a virus research lab apparently researching bat coronaviruses was just 300 yards from the seafood market.
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You should get so many free articles, maybe try a different browser if not loading.
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Steveo, as the old saying goes, don’t put down to conspiracy what can be explained by incompetence. It does look increasingly likely it accidentally leaked from a lab that was studying bat coronaviruses though.
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“Videos have emerged of desperate people in Italy begging for help because they have run out of money and food.”
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Hopefully so Adlab.
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Nobody is saying let older people die or do nothing, but at some point a decision will have to be made to ease the lockdown and only isolate the vulnerable I’m afraid. Or else, as others point out, we’ll have even bigger problems later on and even more lives lost. It’s a hell of a position to be in and nobody is saying it’s an easy decision. But this should not be framed as lives vs money, people will have to genuinely assess the situation to minimise life loss both now and in the later future. As the recent article I linked to says, “,such implications could lead to excess suicides, increase in mental health problems…and what about the effects on food production and global commerce, that will have unquantifiable consequences for people of all ages, perhaps especially in developing economies.”
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Nine, and what of the lives we’re sacrificing in the future? This is not money vs lives, it’s lives vs lives.
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Adlab, I think many people do grasp that but we also need to acknowledge the future deaths we are currently causing by crashing the economy, which if we’re not careful, will outweigh any good we do now. I’ll be very curious to see what happens in Sweden, one of few countries yet to completely lockdown.
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This from a recently retired pathologist and NHS consultant pathologist makes interesting reading and raises important points on the way the data is currently being reported. We need to assess quickly what the situation is, or else the cure is potentially much worse than the disease.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-evidence-on-Covid-19-is-not-as-clear-as-we-think/
As it says, “The moral debate is not lives vs money. It is lives vs lives. It will take months, perhaps years, if ever, before we can assess the wider implications of what we are doing. The damage to children’s education, the excess suicides, the increase in mental health problems, the taking away of resources from other health problems that we were dealing with effectively. Those who need medical help now but won’t seek it, or might not be offered it. And what about the effects on food production and global commerce, that will have unquantifiable consequences for people of all ages, perhaps especially in developing economies?“
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Mak, alas, even without a pandemic, I have feared another economic crash at some point. We are so heavily in debt, savers are penalised, and we are not productive enough an economy that are making enough things that the world really wants. Instead we are now, generally, a low wage economy and completely reliant on other countries around the world for many goods.
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