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It looks like Marina Granovskaia rules the roost at Chelsea, after Roman. Is she too powerful? Did a similar problem not come about with Conte?
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I never saw Frank lasting at Chelsea. I think the club used him last season to help lift things a bit and blood some of the youth. Now they’ve started buying big again, he wasn’t at that level and is simply discarded. Cold hearted but that’s the name of the game today, particularly under Roman.
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Think a combination of having weaker squad players and always seeming to come up against Premier League opposition in the early stages. We really do have a problem with squad depth quality, and have done for years.
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Thought Pogba was very good today Ed. What on earth d’you do with him??
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Man Utd just never look out of it in a game. They just seem so calm. Will that change when the fans come back? As for us, some better signs today. Thought Thiago was poor. Need another defender. We’ve basically drifted back to our 2017 spec with our defensive woes.
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I think Utd look the calmer side and Liverpool are playing with more emotion and heart, but both sides have been sloppy at times.
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Yeh, Id echo what Sean said. No crowds seem to be helping Ole the most. Had a full home stadium witnessed a heavy defeat like that vs Spurs, you could have imagined the boos that would have gone around the stadium. But Ole was able to be cocooned from all that. And so he can be less stressed about it all and just get on with it. Contrast vs Klopp who as HH says almost needs the crowd as much as the crowd needs him. Klopp is a cheerleader at heart.
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I obviously know Klopp has to rest players this season. But would it have not been better to play Salah & Firmino from the off, and then take them off later rather than the other way around? Our plan B players like Origi have very rarely delivered when starting games – they are better impact players. In fact, going back even to the Benitez era when he used to rest first team players from the start and then bring them on later – it rarely worked and the pressure just mounts and mounts. It was too little too late. But we undoubtedly need better plan B players. At Utd under Fergie their fringe players like Javier Hernandez still delivered in these kinds of games. Ours…don’t.
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I wouldn’t put your life savings on it Ed!
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Well, top 4 the target now. This team has been running on fumes far too long now. Bound to lose at home at some point.
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Trent also still way off his game.
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Origi should have left after the European Cup. Thought he may still prove useful but he’s just a cult player. Can spring up with an important goal now and again, but over the course of a season, he’s just no where near good enough.
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Reverse psychology again Adlab? Always worth a try I suppose.
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There’s still been a significant drop off though Sean this season. In 2012/13 for example when Man Utd last won the title, and in 2014/15 when Chelsea won, both sides had 46 points at the half way mark (after 19 games). This season, Leicester would still be 8 points adrift of those sides if that was now. So these teams need to be taking advantage of the situation.
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At this stage last season, Liverpool were on 52 points after 18 games played. Which means Leicester, who are currently top on 38 points, would now be 14 points adrift of the leaders if Liverpool were matching last season’s performance. So because of the huge drop off, this season is obviously making a lot of teams look like title contenders, when in a lot of other seasons, they’d be miles off. So though Ole has made a marked improvement this season to Utd’s point total by 12 points from the same stage last season, he hasn’t just suddenly become a possible title winning manager. A lot of it is skewed by the circumstances this season. Interestingly, Chelsea are only 3 points off their total from this stage last season. Indeed most teams are closely matching their points tallies from last season, with the two big exceptions being Liverpool having a huge drop off (18 points less) & Man Utd gaining 12 points, creating a 30 point swing.
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It is rather sad the way the game has gone. I think the problem is that because football is such a big business now, with a win at all costs mentality, coupled with the fact that football has become even more tribal now, you will inevitably get a greater bullying culture to influence decisions. On a deeper point, the democracies of the world are going the same way. No respect for the other side anymore, it’s all about winning. So much for progress.
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From the article…“Based on pre-match betting odds, Manchester United was expected to attain 70.6 points in those 37 matches, but actually attained 73.”
The problem with that analysis is that the betting odds could be taking Ferguson’s influence on referees (if it significantly exists) into account. So the fact that the results supported the odds doesn’t prove Ferguson didn’t have any influence. Of course referees would never say they were affected by comments. What Fergie quite often did was plant a seed in his press conferences which subconsciously could well have had an affect. Indeed I seem to remember a game at Anfield where before the game Fergie lamented how his side hadn’t got a penalty at the ground for a long time. And when the actual game came, they were awarded a penalty.
As this article suggests,
“Clattenburg also admitted that times are different from when Ferguson was manager of United, arguing that there was an aura around the club that saw them given favourable decisions.
Clattenburg went on to admit that he may not have given Liverpool three penalties at Old Trafford in 2014 had Ferguson still been in charge of the Reds at that time instead of David Moyes.”
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The US is in social & moral decline but all great powers do decline. It’s inevitable. Social media and the internet has further accelerated these kinds of things. As the historian Niall Ferguson noted, just like the printing press in the Middle Ages, it had the affect of further polarising populations rather than unifying them.
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We’ve had it worse boys. Remember the days we were managed by Hodgson, drawing 0-0 in the Europa League on Channel 5, who used to use the opportunity to flog their showings of Jean Claude Van Damme films 😂😂
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Yeh Adlab, it’s psychologically very difficult to stay consistent without crowds. Add to that all teams are struggling with injuries and are struggling to field consistent teams. It really could be almost anyone’s this season.
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