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Because the injury is so minor that he’ll be able to play in the quarter-finals, if they get through.

I know you want him to be loyal to Liverpool first but he’s a proud man who seems to really care for his people. I don’t think we have any right to be annoyed with him for not throwing int he towel and heading back to Liverpool.

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The corruption was coming from the ownership and people were playing ball, I’d imagine. If the Glazers don’t break the law then I doubt he will, I just wouldn’t want him at Liverpool.

Him bailing is potentially pretty telling though alright. I mean, it’s at least a red flag.

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Looking at the job titles that he had at City, it’s safe to assume that he was heavily involved in their rule-breaking.

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You know what, Chuckly. That is a much better solution. I think the PL can sanction clubs who don’t play strong teams without good reason but would they do it to m19 PL sides?

Of course, would all 19 clubs stick together on it? Probably not TBH.

If the PL are unable to protect the league then it will become a “drastic situation calls for drastic measures”.

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Sean, what I don’t understand is that we have since been told that he was on £ 300-something K a week. I thought that 750k a week with very low taxes was definitely worth it and I said as much at the time but I don’t understand his move if that is “all” he was getting. He was on 220k a week here or so? If I’m wrong, I don’t think it will be by much.

I feel a bit foolish now because after he moved, he kept saying BS every time he spoke to the media. It was getting really awkward. I mean he needed to stop the nonsense and admit that he went for the money but it wasn’t much more than he was already on.
So, after all of this… He has now left after 6 months and is back in Europe…
I feel so foolish for sticking up for him, because he’s made a complete tool of himself and not only was his payday not what we thought, but he isn’t even going to stick around for it. He’s trashed his name and for no benefit.

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Pretty much “we all know they are guilty, but we all know they are too powerful to be punished. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen however”.

If it turns out like the UEFA situation where they get off on a technicality, or they are as “innocent” as O.J. Simpson. Then the rest of the PL should refuse to play them. Forfeit every single PL match against them. Do this until their owners sell the entirety of the club.

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I hate Everton and want them relegated but a 20 point deduction for what seems to be 2 small infractions?
They’ll be deducting points off everyone soon and it could be the new title-determining thing from season to season. No thanks.

Especially when Everton were cooperative (so someone said) and Im not sure what Forest did but we’re relegating them for it?…

50 points is the new safety figure.

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I think they’re doing what they can in order to banish City as far away from the PL as possible. They cant be saved by the time bar stuff, so they are toast. They are guilty and they will be found guilty and the CAS will back up their decision when City appeal it, because there will be no BS clause for them to operate under. Well, who knows, maybe they’ll find a different one. I doubt it though.

I think after this we might see them review the rules of FFP and add deeper punishments, including a permanent ban from the PL, also the lack of cooperation needs to be punishable too. I imagine that it currently isn’t, or I think they would have.

A lot of these charges are hard to prove though. They are laundering their money and I’m not sure about the extend of their legal abilities to trace all of these illicit payments and dodgy spindership deals but it seems that they have it all handled and we’re now going to have to wait a year or so in order for City to basically be kicked down into lon-league football and for every single one of their titles to be stripped and given to whomever was in 2nd place in those seasons.

I believe that there will be 3 PL titles to Liverpool, I think 2 for Utd and 1 for Arsenal, with me maybe missing out on 1 or 2.
It’s no good as a fan to have things retroactively given to their rightful owners, after so much time has passed but if they are only to be numbers on the wall at this stage then do it and be done with it. The players and fans were cheated out of celebrating and it would be a very bitter/sweet moment but it is best to just do it, instead of the suggestion that loads prefer out there to just not award a title for those seasons. Everyone is entitled to prefer that but for what little it’s worth, let’s right the wrongs as best as can be done.

I haven’t caught up on everyone’s posts but I caught Mr 3 points remarks about the damage to the PL and ya, there is no way out for them really but they could have acted sooner. We have to consider the teething-in phase for FFP and also the development of the proper owner situation but they could have acted sooner than this. The huge delay only means that they want it to be water tight when they remove the entity that they have partially allowed to ruin their platform.

I do have doubts sometimes, and I brace for City getting away with it… sometimes. I think this comes from experience and being used to large entities being inefficient, or money being a passport. City have damaged the PL’s brand though and that will eventually cost them big money. It already may have. Perhaps the ever-increasing TV deals would have gone up more had City not made the PL boring in some of those seasons.
Even us Liverpool fans were sick of the 2 horse race for a few of them!

Changing the subject slightly though, I will say that I’m not entirely up on what is going on with the other clubs but I don’t think I’m cool with Everton getting another 10 point deduction.

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I would create a thread on this but I don’t want to annoy the others on here, as it’s pretty divisive when you’re praising a current icon that is a rival.. It’s likely a bit like Fergie. I couldn’t stand him when he was in charge of Utd. I warmed to him afterwards.

Klopp though.

How lucky are we to still have this guy?
I know that if we boil it all down that we have to give a lot of credit to others and Pep is probably more responsible for what is now being called “Klopp 2.0” than the man is himself, which is kinda funny, but we all knew what he brings and this reboot has surprised nobody, except for how quickly it’s happening.

I am not at all getting ahead of myself BTW. The PL table isn’t fooling me into thinking that we’re nearly the complete project. I am only saying that where we are now is bordering on incredible. We shouldn’t be top of the table. I did predict that we’d be top but I also predicted that we’d walk the PL last season, so what do I know.
Maybe me being worried about the 2nd half of the season is a sign hat we’ll walk the whole thing?
Unlikely.

No matter what happens though we all know that we have a manager who can deliver the goods. For a few years opposition fans would make fun of us on how he was a nearly manager. He played ina number of finals without winning and that…. disappeared 😀

Now we know what we’re gonna get and we’re getting it again. Of course, we also know what we’re gonna get from City but that’s another story. That’s not in Klopp’s hands.

What a man though and I honestly don’t know if I even want to be a fan when he goes.

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I only watched bits of the end but ya, I’m not shocked about another team playing better football than us, cause Liverpool are not really playing eye-catching football.
It’s not totally unlike the year we won the PL. We played more attractive and seemingly dominant football in other seasons but when we won the title, it never seemed like any team could threaten us.
If it weren’t for covid, we obviously would have broken Citys record. When we came back from, that break, it was all over and the performances really showed that we were in some kind of post-season mode.

It doesn’t matter to most but that really annoyed me because we were on the verge of truly legendary stuff that no team (even City) could ever match.
Ya, we won the PL and that was great but we did it in such a shit manner.

What I see now is kinda like a less capable version of that. I’m less convinced but this but I am pretty sure that I was, complaining about our endless run of single-goal margin victories. I always felt that it was going to come back and haunt us…. I am a Liverpool fan, so I think this is a fair worry.

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Adlab, he’s absolutely unreal. More important than Haaland IMO.
I’d have him in a top PL list alright but I just couldn’t put him ahead of Gerrard.
If Gerrard played in this Klopp team, I don’t think anyone could stop us from winning a lot more.
His legacy isn’t considered to be very good because of the players that he had around him. Ok, the squad definitely improved over time. He played alongside Alonso and Mascherano. That was really something. I still wouldn’t compare that team very favourably to the one we have now… but no need to go too far down that road in this thread.

In today, you have KDB who just kept Man Cioty right on Liverpool’s heels. It is gonna be a long season 😛

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I mean, as well they should. I don’t want to credit City for anything but if this were us, we’d be talking it up too.

The PL is in our hands though. We just need to focus on our plates.

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EDIT : I turned the match off. thought you were saying VAR for citys goal sry.

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I knew it.

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I’ve never heard of this Oscar Bobb guy before.

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KDB comes on, KDB scores.

Service has returned to normal.

Hopefully, poor old Brian is alive and well and enjoying it at least.

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I dont think that I can agree with anything else but Henry wins it.

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“If DVD get bonus points for transforming Pool into contenders (and please note I’m not saying he didn’t) and was the catalyst for a very successful period in their history, then you’ve got to give Cantona extra double bonus points as I think he was the catalyst for a much longer and more successful period at YooUtd… and considering the amount paid for either player (even with inflation) he has to up there for absolute best transfer of all time… ”

Not really because Cantona was a talisman. Van Dijk was the engineering element behind it.
Cantona had flair and promotable stuff that suited the camera but Van Dijk was far more involved, consistent and transformational.

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“In any case, we’re a laughing stock for ‘only winning 1 PL’ despite holding a near record to 20 League Titles (yes we should have won more!). I just don’t see VVD the standout in the way I see Sadio Mane.”

I have that moment where I strongly contradict someone else but I want it to not read in a disrespectful way.
I don’t think there’s a genuine fan of the sport who think that Liverpool are any kind of laughing stock under Klopp, that doesn’t involve their dislike for him or rivalry with the club.

Klopp’s Liverpool is without a shadow of a doubt the best that I have seen Liverpool, as a fan of the club.
I have a feeling that you’re a bit pained by the fact that this great team should have won more and there I think we agree, but I think we’ve had 3 or so points tallys where we’d have won the league (normalised for 3 point wins or 20 teams) over any season in history?… I may be wrong but not by much.

There’s nothing embarrassing with ending the season with 96 points. If you don’t win the league with that… That’s a total freak situation nd although I would like to open the floor to questions on how the other team got more… I won’t.

Embarrassing? No man. A legendary team who have made 3 CL finals. A team who came closer than any team ever will of a quadruple without quite making it.

As for Van Dijk… This actually shocks me more but I have my own experience of my time as a fan and I loved Mane also. I think Mane represented hope when things weren’t going so well for us. he was a force of nature but he was very very far from the perfect player and I don’t want to taint his legacy at the club but if you or any of the others remember back in previous seasons, I pointed out his long spells of poor form.

I’m not going to go into my issues with Mane because I don’t want to argue against a player who for several season was my favourite player. He’s just unfortunate int hat he’s un against Van Dijk and for me there is no comparison.
I had already written off the Boletc as a nonsense Oscars style award but Van Dijk not winning it that year cemented my opinion and I’ve not paid it the slightest bit of notice (except to mock it) since.

There was never a time when Mane should definitely have won that useless award but there was when Van Dijk should have. Mane definitely came close I guess but Van Dijk absolutely did it in my eyes.
It’s just ma little too easy to take certain positions for granted but when they embody your club and play to such an incredibly consistent level…

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Ya that’s it CM, Van Dijk’s arrival changed Liverpool from upstarts into contenders. Contenders against the best PL side ever. That isn’t a subjective opinion either, as they have the most points tallies ever and that goes beyond the PL too.

What Vaan Dijks arrival did for Liverpool, was show our own fans that this team could actually defend.
We were a glass canon before he came here. Now we can finish seasons as one of the fewest (sometimes actual) conceded, playing with a high line.
That is crazy, and it’s achieved largely down to his reading of the game but let’s not forget that he’s actually got amazing distribution for a CB. He’ll chip in with 3-6 goals a season also.
He’s the perfect CB.

He is however in very good company.
I wouldn’t change him for anyone but neither would fans of so many of the other legends.

Maybe for this kind of list we shouldn’t be allowed to use our own teams.

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