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Sean I would guess it likely pre dates pep.
The in possession formation of 3223 was used in 50s but not sure if it ever reverted to 433 out of possession.
In any case I would be pretty sure inverted full backs did not originate with pep
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Nil no one forced lamps to come back. He must have believed he could make a difference.
Our 3 losses in a row under him have been attributed to the situation he inherited despite his ridiculous team set ups and so I have no sympathy for him its a free hit at a job he never deserves a second chance at.
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Ed also to be honest while rafa in my opinion was a good shout to keep them up, I wouldn’t in hindsight really fancy him long term if he did keep them up. So that almost defeats the point of hiring in the first place, except to say survival is so important for Leicester it may just about have been worth bringing him in all considered.
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Yeah that’s fair Ed but I thought he was a good shout to keep them up, and more to mikus’s point its not really what’s rafa done it’s why garcia over someone with the experience of rafa
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That was my shout too mikus
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Nil its one formation in possession and another out of possession.
You certainly were 433 when you didn’t have the ball but you were 3223 when you had it. There was plenty of rotation within that 3223 shape but the structure was always there. Didn’t you notice that trent went in to make a midfield pair with fabinho when you had the ball with Robertson staying back more to create a back 3?
It’s hard to notice with so much rotation of players in wide area’s but the structure when in possession was always 3223 (or 3241/325 whatever we want to call it)
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Nil you can only beat what’s in front of you mate and imo it doesn’t matter how poor Leeds are, pool played very well and I am glad you enjoyed it bud 👍
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Yeah Sean Leeds always allow for more open games.
Can’t get carried away of course but I’d take a lot from the way you are setting up mate and it’s very positive imo.
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The rotation on each flank is impressive. It is constant without breaking the overall structure. So hard to track your man playing against this.
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Nil you always have a base of 5 players if you lose the ball ( 3 at back and fabinho and trent at base of midfield) not only are you getting these overloads going forward but you are more secure against counter attacks than when you would play the 433 that had both trent and Robertson bombing forward and leaving you often with just the 2 centre backs and fabinho as immediate cover against counters.
The whole point of that long ass post/thread I just created was that formations are not arbitrary, there is a reason city and arsenal attack in the structure they do and why klopp is looking to follow suit.
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I wouldnt mind us trying something similar at Chelsea. Maybe James joins kante in DM positions like trent and stones do and enzo can play higher in similar position to hendo today or where KDB plays when city play this system.
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Will get the best of Jota and Diaz if they share that wide left spot between them. Will have tons of space and chances to take people on one on one. Same for salah the other side.
Will just take time to get used to new system
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Look at the amount of times you have a man over playing like this.I know it’s Leeds but I’m talking about the structure. So hard to manage the wide area’s and the two high central players that support the striker at same time. As long as you can keep moving the ball the man over will appear it was same for City vs Munich.
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Watching pool tonight and they are now doing the same as city and arsenal.
433 out of possesion and what I described earlier as 325 or 3241 in possession.
I think to be accurate the in possession shape is actually more like 3223 and this was the formation Hungary utilised in the 50s I think. Nothing new under the sun as they say and ultimately its about what works.
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It’s definitely same formation as city. 433 off the ball and 3241 on the ball.
Variations in style when on the ball, for City grealish and mahrez are always the ones hugging touchline but so far today it seems Jota and Jones interchange on left and Hendo and salah interchange on right. A lot more rotation in where each player plays than when city seem to do it but when pool rotate the players around today the in possession structure always seems to stay as 3241.
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It’s not quite peps system but something similar and a little confusing.
Trent definitely moving in to base of midfield with fabinho, not getting great view of pools left hand side but looks like its Robertson staying back more often to keep a back 3 and Jota playing wide left?
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Its Peps system,the one I was talking about in the other thread.
Attack with back 3 defend with back 4.
Salah and Robertson hugging touchline to stretch back line. Ideally need someone high and central with threat in behind too so that as well as getting stretched by wingers the opposing back line is also forced deeper.
The midfield box is clear too, fabinho and trent at base, Henderson and Curtis Jones at top?
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Ed, maybe they giving kai extra credit for scoring 7 for THIS chelsea team 🤣
Makes no sense mate there isn’t one chelsea player deserving of being in there, edit: except maybe silva just because he is still class.
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Makes no sense to me
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One solution suggested banjo is to change to 30 minute halves but stop the clock every time whistle goes and play is stopped. I think the average in play time of games is like 58 minutes despite it being a 90 minute game plus stoppage time.
Time wasting when the ball is out of play is a problem but teams wasting time while ball is in play is fair game imo.
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