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also comparing results against one specific opponent is flawed, but what are the odds that all 10 teams were weaker against team A than B in that scenario? let alone all 38 games.

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banjo, why respect the points totals even if you look at it like that? @10:18am

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banjo, strength is measured over 38 games, there will always be one off games that defy the odds like palace v city, but you are not trying to suggest that one result for palace means city are not vastly superior are you?

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banjo, if team A wins 10 games 4-1 and team B beats the same teams 3-2, intuitively we would deduce team A were superior but this would not be reflected in points as they would have 30 each. The GF/GA ratio does reflect it, team A 4.00 team B 1.50.

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yeah stevo, was bored last night, spent half hour on bit about last season but couldnt help looking back at past champs, that bit took a lot longer 🙂

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hightown, i would prefer this ratio used than goal difference as secondary ranking to points. It may have been previously I will have look into it.

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banjo, the point is to get feel of relative strength. We all agree with points totals as a ranking method but it can skewed too if you consider that with a bit of luck 1 point can turn in to 3 for a team that is being outplaye. This average is just another imperfect way of comparing strength. It correlates very well with league order for a reason, the higher the average, the better the team.

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Thats it banjo, we criticise it but it counts for little when the reality of the modern game is that there is little incentive to be honest but massive incentive to be dishonest.

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rugby doesnt regularly reward it though, thats the difference.

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I thought it was foul on grealish to be fair though

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I think wee jack should watch englands captain to see how to do it without getting booked banjo 🙂

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stevo, ive already left it mate

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mak, I agree but its not as though our good or bad periods are sporadic. There is a pattern to it. We start games with high tempo and intensity we could cause any team problems….for 30 mins that is. After fatigue sets in we lose control and thats when the youth and inexperience in our team really shows.

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I agree re zouma, but it is possible Lamps thinks even less of Christensen, I was surprised to see him dropped on weekend and tomori given his debut. Rudiger has been injured too.

I think Pulisic is doing alright, his movement, dribbling and running is creating space and opportunities for others. Thought he did ok against pool, and although ruled out, the goal he scored showed a lot of quality. Still, with pedro injured, hudson-odoi out, and willian not match fit, I think Pulisic had to be played. Pulisic doesnt have the experience and quality around him that would ideally be there when bedding him in as he is very raw still, but same can be said for mount, tammy, tomori and all the other youngsters we are relying on this year.

There are far more positives than negatives for me, I am hoping to see some minor adjustments to how we set up in possession so that we are more secure when turned over. We are starting games so well and taking leads, we just need to be smarter and learn to slow the tempo and take control of games when we can.

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We are playing such a high tempo hightown that come second half our players just cant keep it up. I think thats when the inexperience really shows and we lose control of games.

Im not pessimistic about it to be fair, we can finish 4th this year, It is a real possibility, lots of quality to come back in to the side too as you point out.

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Hightown, thats exactly it mate, Chelsea have been bang average but the games are so exciting because of all the errors being made. Maybe the pace of the game and the amount of high pressure is leading to more mistakes in general and more exciting games. Alan hansen would probably just say players dont know how to defend any more but it makes for better games.

P.s, I have left it there now, my last post was my closing one on that mate.

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Was a really good thread stevo.

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Banjo, as jose was saying, spurs best business over the last few years wasnt just keeping the best players, it was keeping them happy and committed. I think the transfer window deadlines have unsettled spurs more than most because of the quality and importance of the players unsettled. I do hope for you that now its done and your squad is intact they all pull together again. Signs were positive yesterday I thought and I still think spurs are the best of the rest. Its amazing how much damage it can do to squad morale and chemistry when just one or two players are unsettled.

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Nah, you are out of order 442 and you are the one engaging in one upmanship which is very ironic considering your earlier protests, clear as day if you follow our posts from yours at 11:10am

I clearly didnt tell you to shove your post, I told you to shove one paragraph, the one in which you said your behaviour on here was nothing to do with a grudge when evidently it is, it has to be as all I had done up to that point is argue the points YOU BROUGHT UP about OUR club, you decided to get personal at 4:52pm and and I remained civil up until that one para I told you to shove and stand by that.

Now, you quickly turned the debate away from the points you yourself raised, but just to clarify, these are the points I chose to debate

1) You claimed the arguments from all chelsea fans about playing kante deeper were stupid, I simply argued they were not and why, giving currently he is the only mid we have that can really defend.

2) You argued we should ditch the “antiquated” 4231, when we havent even been playing it. we have been playing sarri’s 433 but without the “sarriball” and safety in possession, we are too direct leading to too many turnovers which is leaving us far more open than when we played the 433 under sarri but with different tactics. We need to remedy this, and as above its fine if you dont see kante deeper as the solution, but if you think the suggestion is stupid surely you have a better alternative?

3) You were talking about dyche as an alternative to lamps, I thought it was funny that 442 kick and rush excites you but 4231 is “antiquated”, and made a quip abut it, thats just banter.

4) You claimed chelsea fans were fickle and will be wanting lamps out by xmas, I do take exception to that as a) if anyone generalised about another set of fans like that it would clearly be out of order, and b) the match going chelsea fans arent actually that fickle, and no more than most fans of top clubs anyway. It was a poor comment but you a free to say it, no probs there. But as free as you are to say it, I am free to question you.

Like I said 442, my posts on this have been fine, feel free to engage or dont engage, but you cant keep posting as you are all the while claiming I am the issue here, its not on mate. I have taken the time to read things back and check myself here, and I dont think I am out of order at all.

All the best.

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p.s 442, what name calling?

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