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Brightons net spend in summer 63m, Watfords 14m. That is a joke! Especially if you consider the spending of sheffield utd and aston villa too.

Watford were 14th in net spend this summer, What improvement could be really expected from 11th place with investment like this? Its a bloody racket.

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Sadly it does Nil, but of course I have no insight in to what is happening and its just my impression, this decision seems so bizarre it cant have been based purely from a footballing POV.

Be interesting to see how it pans out for Flores now. I wouldnt be surprised to see a uplift in Watford’s form and Flores guiding them to mid table again, say 13th, then not getting backed next summer and Watford having a poor start to the season again next year, then Flores can be sacked again and Watford can pretend it is because they havent progressed when the real reason they wont progress is there is simply not being enough invested in improving the team and no manager will better Gracia’s 11th place finish and FA cup final appearance without investment in the squad imo.

Every season in the prem league makes the owners richer, they dont need to thrive, or even improve, just barely survive and they are quids in. Whats a couple of million compensation to a manager each year in this context?

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I get the feeling managerial changes like this are just PR campaigns from the owners sometimes. Fans always have time and patience for a new manager, and poor performance by the club as a whole can easily and unfairly be attributed to past managers by owners who pass the buck, replace the manager, and act as though they are proactively seeking improvement, when nothing could be further than the truth. They dont want improvement, they want mid table and prem league tv money for as long as possible with as little investment as possible being made.

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Just looking in to this to refresh what happened with Flores in his first spell now he has been reappointed.

He joined in June 2015 just after Watford were promoted, so had nothing to do with that.

He then guided them to 13th, before the club announced on 13th May 2016 that he was leaving after just that one season.

These are Flores’s quotes after announcement of his departure;

“The club and me don’t have the same point of view about the season,” said Sanchez, who also guided Watford to the FA Cup semi-finals.
“We don’t have the necessary conditions to activate the clause to renew my contract so I will leave Watford as a consequence.

“I felt completely happy with this year and I have enjoyed this experience.”

This is what Watford said at the time;

“We would like to thank Quique,” said a club statement.

“He and the team achieved the target set at the start of the season of staying in the Premier League for a second year.

“Quique leaves with all our best wishes for the future and the knowledge he is always welcome at Vicarage Road.”

Watford then had that whole Marco Silva nonsense which was unfortunate to be fair, but its in that January that Javi Gracia came in, and the next season, season just gone, he guided Watford to their highest ever finish 11th as well as FA cup final.

I think that if you guide a team to their highest ever position you have to be given the benefit of the doubt that you are getting the very best out of your team. The poor finish to last season may have been a little to do with the players just looking ahead to FA cup final but it also should have been evidence to the board that to improve form, let alone to even come close to repeating their highest ever finish, some good investment would be needed in the summer.

Their business was very poor except for the signing of a raw but talented winger in sarr. I get the feeling Gracia is the scapegoat for a poor summer as the season is almost written off already as a transition providing they stay up and more attention will be given to the poor start under gracia than the terrible transfer window they just had. Owners pocketing millions and passing the buck, thats what is smells like to me.

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Just looking in to this to refresh what happened with Flores in his first spell now he has been reappointed.

He joined in June 2015 just after Watford were promoted, so had nothing to do with that.

He then guided them to 13th, before the club announced on 13th May 2016 that he was leaving after just that one season.

These are Flores’s quotes after announcement of his departure;

“The club and me don’t have the same point of view about the season,” said Sanchez, who also guided Watford to the FA Cup semi-finals.
“We don’t have the necessary conditions to activate the clause to renew my contract so I will leave Watford as a consequence.

“I felt completely happy with this year and I have enjoyed this experience.”

This is what Watford said at the time;

“We would like to thank Quique,” said a club statement.

“He and the team achieved the target set at the start of the season of staying in the Premier League for a second year.

“Quique leaves with all our best wishes for the future and the knowledge he is always welcome at Vicarage Road.”

Watford then had that whole Marco Silva nonsense which was unfortunate to be fair, but its in that January that Javi Gracia came in, and the next season, season just gone, he guided Watford to their highest ever finish 11th as well as FA cup final.

Now I am pretty sure that if you guide a team to their highest ever position you have to be given the benefit of the doubt that you are getting the very best out of your team. The poor finish to last season may have been a little to do with the players just looking ahead to FA cup final but it also should have been evidence to the board that to improve form, let alone to even come close to repeating their highest ever finish, some good investment would be needed in the summer.

Their business was very poor except for the signing of a raw but talented winger in sarr. I get the feeling Gracia is the scapegoat for a poor summer as the season is almost written off already as a transition providing they stay up and more attention will be given to the poor start under gracia than the terrible transfer window they just had. Owners pocketing millions and passing the buck, thats what is smells like to me.

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loved ceefax nil, wasnt it page 302 for footie news on bbc? and 888 i think for bamboozle on channel 4!

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Cheers Brian, I have often enjoyed listening to matches on radio too, especially when I was a kid, I think only having commentary and crowd to go on really amped up the excitment of it.

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Re-appointed Quique Flores now already! No doubt there will be an uplift but just makes it more bizarre that the change wasnt made in the summer.

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lol, no doubting its a good move for him, like walker he could be a title winner within 10 months of leaving spurs 🙂

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yeah I was surprised too, not as surprised as he was though 🙂

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Be interesting to see what Souness has to say about owen’s comments.

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banjo, what you reckon about spurs getting shot of trippier?

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Corrected
Champions
Only one team had achieved an average higher than 4 before pool and city both did it last season. At this stage I see no reason why they will not come very close if not repeating it.

My Prediction, Champs will have goal average of 4+

Top 4

I think with leicester and everton in particular in the mix with utd, chelsea, and maybe even arsenal and spurs, these teams are going to eat each other up and reduce the average possibly required to finish top 4.

My Prediction, every top 4 team will have an average of 1.4+

Top 6

Similar logic as top 4 reasoning, I dont think this average will be as high as in some previous seasons.

My Prediction, Every top 6 team will have an average of 1.2+ (would not be too surprised if slightly lower but will go with 1.2)

Top 10

My prediction, Every team in top 10 will have an average of 0.9+

11th-17th

I will make two predictions for teams in this range;

1) No team in this range will average higher than 1
2) No team in this range will average lower than 0.5

Relegation

I will make two predictions here also;

1)Any team with an average of 0.5 or less will be relegated
2)None of the 3 relegated teams will have an average higher than 0.65

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Sean, Gerrard is the one player I wish chelsea could have signed over anyone else.

I know every England manager was as useless as the next in getting the best out of lamps and Stevie in same team but I think with jose as coach and makelele anchoring the midfield it would have been the single greatest midfield in premier league history. (with prime Essien as back up!)

Glad he stayed with you guys in the end though because his liverpool career was special and while he certainly would have won more at chelsea it would not have been anywhere near as beautiful a story or career.

Legend of a player, which is why every fan at the bridge applauded him off in his last game against us.

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For my own personal indulgence I am just going to note a few predictions based on goal averages (gf/ga) so that I can check back at end of season.

Champions
Only one team had achieved an average higher than 4 before pool and city both did it last season. At this stage I see no reason why they will not come very close if not repeating it.

My Prediction, Champs will have goal average of 4+

Top 4

I think with leicester and everton in particular in the mix with utd, chelsea, and maybe even arsenal and spurs, these teams are going to eat each other up and reduce the average possibly required to finish top 4.

My Prediction, every top 4 team will have an average of 1.4+

Top 6

Similar logic as top 4 reasoning, I dont think this average will be as high as in some previous seasons.

My Prediction, Every top 6 team will have an average of 1.2+ (would not be too surprised if slightly lower but will go with 1.2)

Top 10

My prediction, Every team in top 10 will have an average of 0.9+

11th-17th

I will make two predictions for teams in this range;

1) No team in this range will average higher than 1
2) No team in this range will average lower than 0.55

Relegation

I will make two predictions here also;

1)Any team with an average of 0.45 or less will be relegated
2)None of the 3 relegated teams will have an average of 0.65+

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Thats Very true Brian, statistics can be a great nostalgic tool.

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Hi Brian. I agree that statistics never tell the whole story, and I too do not care for “ifs and buts”.

But while broadly speaking statistics do not interest you, I know certain statistics that certainly do interest you, the number of wins city earn, the number of goals they score, the number of points they earn etc… the game is full of statistics, champions are decided based on statistics and teams are relegated based on statistics.

Personally I do enjoy stats as is evident. I think they are helpful as its hard enough grasping what happens in even one match visually sometimes, let alone a full season, or multiple seasons. Over long periods statistics are a useful objective resource I think.

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Totally agree mak, one of the greatest players in prem history, and probably the greatest captain.

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Sorry banjo, but chelsea f**king spurs was what turned me on about it, if we aint allowed to wear our shirts, forget it.

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I think he thinks he is being honest, but when you see his calm and composed nature here (even when being really nasty), and then consider how explosive, angry and confrontational he has always reportedly been, I am not sure if he is all there when these things happen, I think he loses it and I am really suspicious of his version of any of this.

He talks about making it as a manager still, no chance imo.

As for fergie’s treatment of him, a 34 yr old legend he may have been, but the negatives completely outweighed the positives with keane at that stage of his career and its no surprise fergie kicked him out and made example of him in front of the players he relied on to take utd forward imo.

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