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Mav I thought of nil too when I read about this. Never really paid attention to what the logo on pool shirt says so never knew he named himself after the sponsor!

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Nine, I think banjo was right and if we plan to start Giroud its best he has a shave, cant afford another VAR offside decision going against us. 🙂

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BP, No chelsea fan will argue that we are not weaker this season than last..so far at least. But are you seriously suggesting that Lamps is the cause of this? Bit confusing since only a few weeks ago you said this “Given how fickle Chelsea fans are over the last decade. I’ll give Lampard until January before dissent pours down from the stands” Well at least those fickle fans are willing to wait half a season before they make a judgement, we are 6 games in ffs.

“The excuse is we’re blooding youngsters. the reality is it is almost identically the same side that Sarri was using last season minus Eden Hazard Madrid’s new Michelin man.”

Get out of it, we had both kante and hazard available regularly at the start of last season and less injuries than we have this year too, without even considering that the older players have regressed also which is nothing to do with lamps but part of the reason he has to put faith in players like mount, tammy and tomori so soon.

Personally I believe without Hazard in the side last year sarri would have had no where near as good a start and we would not have come close to 3rd place. I say this with conviction because I witnessed game after game where sarri ball gave us nothing and Hazard got us over the line more often than not imo.

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BP, No chelsea fan will argue that we are not weaker this season than last..so far at least. But are you seriously suggesting that Lamps is the cause of this? Bit confusing since only a few weeks ago you said this “Given how fickle Chelsea fans are over the last decade. I’ll give Lampard until January before dissent pours down from the stands” Well at least those fickle fans are willing to wait half a season before they make a judgement, we are 6 games in ffs.

“The excuse is we’re blooding youngsters. the reality is it is almost identically the same side that Sarri was using last season minus Eden Hazard Madrid’s new Michelin man.”

Get out of it, we had both kante and hazard available regularly at the start of last season and less injuries than we have this year too, without even considering that the older players have regressed also which is nothing to do with lamps but part of the reason he has to put faith in players like mount, tammy and tomori so soon.

Personally I believe without Hazard in the side last year sarri would have had no where near as good a start and we would not have come close to 3rd place. I say this with conviction because I witnessed game after game where sarri ball gave us nothing and Hazard got us over the line.

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gjblues, is it that hard to appreciate why some people may think that what Klopp achieved with liverpool last year (ie 96 points and a champs league) given his squad is a better achievement than Peps 97 points and 2 domestic cups given his squad?

I understand if you think Pep did the better job, but I dont see why it is such a controversy that Klopp won, it is obviously very close and he was certainly deserving of consideration at least.

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Now I’m not saying that means Gross spending is more accurate because it’s not. But I think without any context, neither are perfect.

Agree Ed, but with context Net spend is far more telling, as is wage bill.

I get your example but do you not think selling de bruyne and salah for what we did hasnt weakened us considerably from what we could be? The loss on the field is actually under represented in the monies we received for them, and same for a lot of other players like Lukaku, Ake, these are losses to the potential strength of our current squad and its only right that the fees we received for them in compensation are taken in to account as measures of loss of quality just as the monies spent are used to represent measures of strengthening.

Similar Coutinho with pool, his loss and the fee received have to be taken in to account when measuring the amount liverpool have strengthened via spending as they lost a lot of creativity with him that they havent had since.

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Mak, I am not sure how the units of measurements for the margins can be defined, but if you take the graphics they used to show the two lines representing son and the defender I would say that any goal referred to VAR should be allowed if the attacker is no further than say 4 lines ahead of the last defender. If he is over 4 lines clear then it will be immediately apparent and the goal can be dis-allowed very quickly, if the player is within 4 lines of the defender on the graphic we give advantage to the striker and allow the goal. If it is not clear whether in 4th or 5th line, give the goal. The game is about goals and if teams create great goals that are dis-allowed because of such ridiculously pedantic calls the game will suffer 100% I have no doubt, it already is.

Nine is right though, in that as the rules are now the decision is right.

However, it is not improving the game, and as you referred to it is not really necessary to be this pedantic when you consider the nature and reason for the offside rule in itself. Son for example was doing his absolute best to stay onside and not get an unfair advantage, and on top of that he was doing what we actually pay to see players do. I also think it is really important for everyone to realise that the still frame we see is not the exact frame at which the passer makes contact with the ball, it can not be measured accurately, I think because of this a small margin or allowance as referred to would be reasonable and in keeping with the spirit of the game.

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As ridiculous as it sounds chelsea.man the figures seem about right, just took rounded figures from this site and added them up https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/chelsea-fc/transfers/verein/631/plus/0?saison_id=2019&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

13/14 – 117.32m spent 69.69m received – net 47.63m
14/15 – 123.93m spent 130.37m received – net-6.44m
15/16 – 81.45m spent 78.74m received – net 2.71m
16/17 – 119.52m spent 97.56m received – net 21.96m
17/18 – 234.45m spent 180.54m received – net 53.91m
18/19 – 189m spent 64.58m received – net 124.43m
19/20 – 40.5m spent 131.18m receive – net -90.68m

Total spent 906.16m Total received 752.66m Total spend Net 153.5m

That means in terms of investment in the team we have averaged just over 20m a year Net spend. Roman has not subsidised us for ages the net spend is easily covered by legit turnover.

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Chelseaman, correction from my last post, city’snet spend under pep is 475m, it was 699m gross, still miles apart from chelsea and pool

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Nobody can say Chelsea are boring now nil 🙂

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Nil, if we can give you lot two very tough games at this stage of our teams development I am supremely confident things are looking bright for us. We just need to have patience and let Frank bed in as many of the young players as possible, then come next summer we will know for sure the exact positions we have to go to the market for, just like pool after a full season under Klopp. imo we then have to make sure we spend our money as smartly as pool did. If we do that I truly believe we can compete again for the title.

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@Chelsea.man , those figures I believe are correct but are gross figures not taking in to account moneys received and players let go (some very good ones too inc hazard) which is why monies received should be considered also and the gross figures should be ignored. Sky only use them because it inflates things and gives an exaggerated perception.

I found a useful link to put this in perspective with net spend:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9866776/chelsea-transfer-ban-record-profits-player-exits/

Jose’s second spell 2013-15 was net spend of 43m (surprising eh?) Only spent 43m more than we received yet the supposed ultimate chequebook manager built another championship team for us on 43m.

Conte’s spell 2016-2018 net spend was 73m

Sarri 18/19 124m

Lamps summer 19 to present -133m (133m gained)

Chelsea’s net spend since Fergie left utd is therefore 113m. For perspective, city’s net spend over only the period pep has been there is 699m!! see why just comparing gross spends is pointless? It is misleading and paints a false picture. Liverpools net spend since pep arrived is 74m and ours based on the above is 64m, this is on another level all together with city and thats why I have so much respect for how well Klopp and Pool are competing with Pep and all he has going for him.

This is a good link for the city and pool figures

https://www.liverpool.com/liverpool-fc-news/features/liverpool-news-man-city-klopp-16686957

Yeah I know it is a pool page city fans but the sums look sound to me.

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I remember saying exactly this when we sold Lukaku. Say what you want about him but he was a reliable goalscorer and neither of the ones remaining are that. Troubling times continue at Old Trafford. Matter of time for Ole, sadly

Ed, I remember you saying this when we were discussing utd’s summer business and I was surprised that you didnt think utd had improved. I think you were spot on in retrospect mate. I mean, no surprise a utd fan knows utd better than a chelsea fan but I, and more importantly Woodward and Solskjaer, should have taken that argument in particular more seriously because you look at it now and can only think its gross negligence not to have replaced Lukaku and arguably not to have strengthened midfield too.

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Gongrats liverpool lads, from your POV a great result, more so because of City’s performance yesterday. You werent at your best today but won away from home, your team have a championship mentality that I havent seen at Pool in my lifetime and I honestly hope you go one better this year and win it.

Does nothing to make the result easier for me to swallow though, I also think we were worthy of a point. Once again we are reminded that you should never celebrate a goal until the VAR review, but for me the biggest reminder is when you get a chance against a team like pool you have to take it. I thought Adrian did superbly in the on on one with Tammy but whether Tammy scores himself or squares to Mount that should have been 1-1 and that is on us, not the VAR or the ref.

Played the champs of Europe twice so far and its 3-4 on aggregate, considering the massive amount of problems we have had to start this season I am actually quite happy with that.

Never mind, at least I can watch Goldbridge’s meltdown on the united stand to take my mind off it 🙂

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Milan Derby toninght! 🙂 Totally forgot about that. Hope Inter win a keep their lead, would love someone other than Juve to win it for a change and still very fond of Antonio.

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To be fair Mav I dont for one second truly believe they would have got less points or won less games if they had kept allardyce, Silva has not really shown any value at all. Everton look weaker than the sum of their parts and whenever that is the case over a long period, the manager will eventually be sacked.

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Newcastle been awful, stat just came up with 64% pass accuracy out of just over 100 pass attempts, Brighton were I think 88% out of over 300 pass attempts. I think Newcastle are going down. I think Watfords owners and Mike Ashley all deserve nothing better than relegation, just a shame the fans have to suffer.

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Hell of a game to be at Brian, bet you had a great day.

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Fernandinho looks twice the centre back Otamend is too

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