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Ozil was also the one to use the term scapegoat, but realistically you can only be a scapegoat if you are playing. He may claim to have been a scapegoat prior to this season, but believe me Chelseaman I have seen enough Arsenal fan TV to know Arsenal fans have not picked on ozil or scapegoated him, for him to be scapegoated they would have to be more unfairly critical of ozil than the other players and that is not the case, they are brutal with virtually all the players.

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Nine, it dont sit right with me even if they are trying to play down the advantages of this for the top teams. At the end of the day you need two teams for a game of football, you can argue utd attract more fans for sure, but if they had no one to play there wouldnt be a game for their fans to pay to watch, TV rights should be distributed equally imo.

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If anyone here doesnt have amazon prime you can get a month free trial so just sign up for that just before christmas and then cancel.

If you get a firestick it wont take you much time on the net to learn how to add apps to watch all the 3pm kick offs too and worthy of the investment. Better than streaming from dodgy sites on more expensive hardware like a laptop or pc.

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Lol Banjo, I loved Nicholson in that movie.

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And a fluke is a fluke at the end of the day CM, shouldnt put much weight on that one result thats all I am saying.

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Yeah CM, but city dominated both games, thats the difference. 9 times out of 10 palace would not have won the game they won against city at the etihad last year, but 9 times out of 10 city would have still won the game they won at selhurst. Given this and how eager city will be to bounce back it is very unlikely palace will get a result. Would love to see it and you never know, but I see a thrashing on the cards to be honest. City to win by 4+

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I dont know Chelsea man, personally I had forgotten he even existed until he came out with all this, so not sure the press are treating him disgracefully at all, Arsenal are paying him circa 350k/week so they are not treating him disgracefully either.

I think he just doesnt fit with the way Emery wants to play. He is a very talented player but if he is not willing to take a pay cut to play regularly elsewhere and would rather stay at Arsenal and pocket the money for doing nothing then I dont think he has any right to complain and should just shut the hell up.

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Jose and Keano the pundits for Sunday!

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Fancy City to hit Palace for 5 to be honest Nine, for sure they will be well up for this.

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Tough game for you against sheffield stevo, think you’ll have enough up front to get the points though.

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Any shocks this week then you reckon lads? I think Burnley could surprise and turn Leicester over away. Everton vs West Ham is really difficult to call, want to go West Ham but just feel Everton have to get a result soon. Dont see utd beating Pool but you never know, could scrape a draw.

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You say “making the same mistake again” but in my opinion, giving Ole the job on a temp basis wasn’t the mistake. That was a stroke of genius. Giving him the job full time was the mistake.

I completely agree ed and thats what I meant if you look back at that post.

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Stevo, G.Nev would agree with you, he said himself utd have gone down the route of appointing top managers and it hasnt worked, so it logically follows according to him that shit managers need to be given a chance instead, he fits the bill perfectly 😉

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Nine, I think its all PR mate and short termism to get til end of the season. If utd genuinely believe with time and players that Ole is good enough then they are royally buggered imo.

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Ed, was just thinking, but if Carrick would accept the caretaker job until the end of the season in the understanding that how ever well he does he has no chance of the job full time, then that would be a decent shout by yourself to be fair. I just dont see how any established/experienced managers would accept it but that doesnt go against your thinking here.

Personally I think Poch will be appointed by Utd by July next year, whatever happens in between. Just feel its the perfect fit.

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Thats fair enough ed and I understand. But it is implicit in your description of the caretaker that he would not be a top manager in his own right, no top Manager wants to be a caretaker, right? That means the guy who comes in will hardly be any better than Ole. This then puts you at risk of making the same mistake all over again as what if the uplift is good enough to get the majority of fans behind the new caretaker and motivates Woodward to give another mediocre manager a contract? You know that is very possible and you know who ever the caretaker would be they would have their eye on securing the job full time. What if the caretaker does even worse? That is possible too. For your scenario to really be worth it imo the caretaker would have to do better than Ole but not too much better. If he does worse, the change will be a mistake, if he does much better you may be stuck with another average manager next season and that would be a mistake too.

I see your argument here, but I am suggesting the board plan as though Ole is the caretaker and plan for a change in the summer.

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everyone knows Ole isn’t good enough so why delay the inevitable.

Agree with the first part of that ed, but there is good reason to delay the inevitable if the right manager isnt available right now. If you accept that top 4 is out of the question this season whether Ole is in charge until May or is sacked today, then appointing the new manager now may be counter productive as things will not get much better with the squad he will inherit this season and ideally you would be wanting to go in to the new season with a brand new manager on top of a great transfer window and full of positivity. There is always a risk that appointing someone now could result in negativity towards the new manager before the end of the season, we are talking about players that got Jose and Van Gaal the sack mate, and they really are as top drawer as you can get in terms of managers. When are utd going to realise that appointing great managers isnt the solution, backing them is.

Funniest and most stupid argument I have heard regards utd, and one made by G.Neville, is that utd have tried top managers and it didnt work so need a new direction!!! It is laughable but Neville has argued it multiple times and seen it on forums too. Really twisted logic.

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I think you seem to be in the minority on this ed which is why I made the “not a wind up” disclaimer, but as you can tell from my original post I am in the minority with you on this mate. You are Manchester United, a good manager with good recruitment and things could get better far more quickly than the majority seem to think.

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Threeps and Mikus, the bottom line imo is the players the manager has, step 3 from my original post is the most important step, and the one I dont think utd have the structure to or vision to succeed in.

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Ha!

Dont mean to sound petty or nasty here, but utd getting relegated would be brilliant!

Dont get offended utd fans, you know you would have loved to see Chelsea get relegated under jose in his last season, its just being honest, and besides, you arent going to get relegated anyway, its just a sadistic fantasy held by many non utd fans.

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