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Yeah mak it’s only a goal lead still but I think you still in control.

Only just noticed no VVD! Just rested or has he picked up knock?

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Mak I feel so sorry for Milan right now bud 🙂 70 mins left I am sure you will get more

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Yeah mak always harsh those calls but his arm was out you can see the Milan player next to him had hands behind back and I think that’s the only way to go now

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13 attempts in 15 minutes!

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Great start for Liverpool, not many teams could cope with pool when they in this mood at anfield

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Adlab leipzig have regressed mate, lost so many key players over last 2 seasons. Sabitzer was key and bayern snapped him up this summer, bayern also thumped leipzig 4-1 last week.

I don’t think city will have any problems bud

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Even more reason to watch then nine 🙂

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Heard lots about tonali and Kessie in Milan midfield be nice to see them against pool to see what they are made of. Some good games tonight, pool v Milan my choice to watch though.

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Nine, Azpi pulled out his old morata cross mate! Hopefully see more of that we got a few that way morata’s first season

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Yep will take some doing rover

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Just turned game on half time and seen replay of the ronaldo goal, bruno’s assist is ridiculously good like KDB level genius. It’s one thing having christiano up top but having players like Bruno and pogba that feed can feed him like that makes for such a dangerous team.

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So he should have done better last year pagan? Yey or nay mate?

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Yeah stevo but that comes back to the question “who is saying bielsa is amongst the elite in the first place?”

Why are we expecting more from bielsa than he has given? Why are we expecting more from teams like Bournemouth who merely survive for a few years? These things need to be considered in the context of the resources they have. We are all spoiled on these pages, not so much banjo and stevo anymore but rest of us support elite teams with elite expectations. Can’t be projecting our expectations on teams with far less resource.

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Pagan, should Leeds have won more points last season? He clearly shown he can manage a newly promoted side to mid table in prem that means he has shown to be capable at this level. Why do we focus on particular negatives rather than the whole? Nobody is perfect and if they were they wouldn’t agree to manage a championship club would they? 😉

Until he finishes below par he doesn’t deserve this criticism imo he has been nothing but a positive for Leeds and the Premier league.

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I think emery failed because expectations of fans was vastly disproportionate to the talent of squad and arguably he deserved more time mikus.

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And pagan Leeds rise all to do with good coaching how else could it be explained the team he inherited was dog shite.

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Yeah of course pagan but in the context of this discussion you don’t get promotion and survive like Leeds have through practicing the wrong things do you.

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Regards naivety, maybe we are naive in thinking bielsa has the talent at his disposal that would allow changes in approach week in week without drastically reducing the teams efficiency in long term.

Bielsa’s approach is that in order to be a good team you don’t necessarily need great players but you need to be better at what you are trying to do than the opponent is at what they are trying to do. How do you get good at something? You do it over and over again, and that’s what bielsa does. He creates a teams in which every player understands his role and purpose more than the opposition through sheer repetitiveness. This means they will win more often than not against teams who on paper are just as good as them and also punch above their weight. However against elite opposition the differences in quality of player can not be eliminated and will always show through as we see.

Bielsa looks at 38 games and if they get the points they need after 38 games he is not naive at all.

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Ed, All I was arguing was his work was real and remarkable at Leeds and to call him a myth seemed unfair and disrespectful. You concede how great a job he has done and persist that he is a myth, I will let you argue that with those who actually have a mythical opinion.

For me bielsa is very similar to sarri, exceptional mind for the game but dogmatic, principled and single minded.

This means when they are given full control of a club that that is without direction they are able to create very good footballing teams that compete WAY above their wage bill and everything improves, the players the staff, the training and most importantly the results.

However it will also mean that at the elite level they will lack the flexibility and pragmatism required. At the biggest clubs
they also struggle to manage with limited control and are no longer able to create everything in their own image, they have to adapt to the expensively assembled team they have. As they are so dogmatic they can not live with this compromise and top clubs can’t live with them. I like you would not want bielsa at my club because we are at the elite level already and need a manager capable and willing to adapt to the opposition at highest level.

That bielsa hasn’t proved himself at this level does not warrant criticism in itself imo, but anyone who claims he is at this level is without evidence and so that would be a myth. I can’t recall any pundit once claiming bielsa is at that level though and, until this conversation, never even thought that there was such a myth around him. Its just a lot of praise from elite coaches around the world for some of his methods and he has done a cracking job at Leeds.

You are just as pissed as me and Nine that they didn’t take points off pool lol be honest 🙂

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Yeah but Ed you questioned whether he was a myth only appreciated by hipsters, now you saying he done a great job which I agree with so I guess debate over 🙂

Good job anyway got a bloody funeral to attend, catch you later lads and thanks for the distractions this morning, much needed 👍

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