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Well, that was a dreadful game, wasn’t it? Very unlike Pep and Klopp to send their teams out primarily not to lose. I think a draw was probably a fair result, despite the missed penalty. Like you, 9, I think City will stretch their lead at the top once KDB is back, but I can’t say I am unhappy with our league position at the moment. The only players this season who are playing better than they did last year for us are Gomez, VVD, Milner and Wijnaldum. And obviously we’ve now got a keeper! Trent, Robbo, Henderson and of course the front 3 are well short of the heights they reached last year. They are all capable of playing the odd great game, I thought Henderson was very good yesterday, but they are not stringing the games together, or even all performing at the same time. Keita I thought looked completely lost when he replaced Milner yesterday, and for some reason Klopp just seems not to fancy / trust Shaquiri. We were screaming for him to replace either Mo or Mane after an hour yesterday, but we never saw him…just like Naples.
However, our next run of games look on paper eminently winnable, with only Arsenal away before the end of November, but, and it’s a big but, we do need Keita to step up and prove his worth, and even more importantly, we need our front three to recapture the joy they seemed to play with last year. Maybe Huddersfield, Cardiff and Fulham will give them that opportunity.
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My thoughts exactly, Sean. Mendy may well leave gaps, but is Salah in enough form to take advantage?
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Very much looking forward to going to Anfield on Sunday, but with a certain amount of trepidation. I just hope the crowd can lift the team. I honestly would rest Salah for this one, though I don’t think for one minute Klopp will do that, and I’d certainly play Shaquiri, either in place of him or in place of Hendo if Keita’s not fit.
Have to say, I agree with Sean for once – I’d take a draw right now, because I can’t see us getting anything out of it, despite City’s record there. And I read today that Aguero has never scored at Anfield which surprised me. City to win 3-1 with aguero getting 2!!
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Mav – if Utd can’t beat Newcastle, then things really are bad. From what I’ve seen of Newcastle this season, they are absolutely toothless. You’ll have them, I reckon.
Been reading alot of Utd fans slagging off Lukaku this season. He was immense in the World Cup, so there definitely a player in there. Is it the system, is it Mourinho, is it just poor form. Many of your fans are complaining that he is so static, doesn’t make the runs and work the channels etc, but these were exactly what he was doing in Russia. Where do you stand on him?
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999 – The Ryder Cup is just such good TV. The whole format is just brilliant, with the whole session advantages swinging wildly. Let’s hope they don’t swing again in the next 45 minutes or so. Fabulous afternoon for the Europeans, so far
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999 – yeah, I probably would take a draw right now on Saturday. Obviously it will be two very different teams lining up on Saturday, but I do feel that the players we have to come in at the weekend are, overall, a bigger increase in quality compared to last night. By that I mean, Allison over Mignolet, Robbo over Moreno, VVD over Lovren, Wijnaldum over Fabinho, Firmino over Sturridge etc. Obviously Hazard and Kante are sensational, but…oh, I don’t know…clutching at straws maybe.
Anyway, it should be a good one – I just hope Hazard is kept on a tighter leash than last night.
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Frankly, I’m surprised at the amount of posters on here and on TT who have said we played well last night. At the game, it didn’t appear that way at all. Chelsea, right from the start seemed more cohesive, sharper and less ring rusty. I thought our 2 full backs were very poor, Lovren was constantly turned by Morata, who fortunately did little with it, Milner had his worst game of the season by a distance, Fabinho showed why Klopp has been unwilling to throw him in to the Premiership games and Sturridge missed an absolute sitter. Only Shaquiri, Mane and to a lesser extent, Keita came out with any credit from last night. I felt Chelsea deserved their win, and obviously won it with a sensational goal from Hazard.
Still, I would rather lose last night’s game than Saturdays…the danger is now that it disrupts our momentum. With Chelsea away, Napoli away and Man City at home over the next 10 days, we will know in that time just how good or otherwise we really are.
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Interesting post, Jim. As a matter of interest, how much were the CL tickets on Wed? We paid £42 on the Kop and were dear in other areas of the ground. I’m genuinely not trying to score points here…it all seems a little pointless to do that….but I am interested as to why City don’t fill their ground more. I live and work in Manchester and actually know more people who are regulars at the Etihad than at Old Trafford! But you say many are more in to the PL than the CL, and yet the same seems to apply in league games as well.
It is irrelevant,I know, but I think it is symptomatic of football nowadays. If City can’t fill their ground when they are regularly winning and playing unbelievable football and have some of the world’s best players playing for them and they are one of the cheapest tickets around in the Premises, then football should be very worried, in my opinion.
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Anyone notice that Red Bull Leipzig played Red Bull Salzburg last night in the Europa League? Didn’t think clubs with the same owners were allowed to play each other
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Do you think? He was, by all accounts, the best paid player in England at the time, and while it is certainly when compared to my salary both then and now, I would argue that it has become far, far more outrageous in the last 10 or 15 years. I’m guessing the avarage salary in the uk in 1992 was more than £10k a year, probably somewhere between £15k and £20k I would guess.. So Barnes’ weekly wage was well short of the average annual wage at the time. In 2016, the average salary in the UK was £27k or thereabouts, and there are plenty of players on 5 or ten times that, or even more, so while £500k a year in 1992 was a very good wage, of course it was, it was also for the one player in the league who was at the top of his profession (arguably!). You don’t have to be at the top of your profession now to earn every week 5 times what the average man earns a year. So in terms of exponential rises, it has gone apeshit in the last 2 decades
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Chucky – that’s an interesting question as to when a players weekly wage topped the average national annual wage. I remember when John Barnes’ salary was increased to £10k a week i.e. ‘only’ half a million year, and there was an outcry. Now if my memory serves me well, that was only in about 1992, so really the outrageous increases have all actually occurred in only the last twenty years, or maybe even less!
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OK, Mikus, fair points. Hendo may not necessarily be a first choice all season, but he was definitely one of our best last night.
And I think Liverpool should be given a bit of credit for last night. Everyone seems to just be saying PSG were poor. We made them look poor by strangling the service to their front three who were
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I’m not, Chucky! Just thinking what a fine morning it is here in the north-west! Haven’t seen your game, but from what I gather, you could have won the game by half-time.
As for my night at Anfield, well, what a great performance, and a thoroughly deserved 3 points. Cavani might as well have not been on the pitch, Trent and Gomez kept Neymar so quiet and Robbo at left back only lost Mbappe once. Robertson must keep pinching himself that 15 months ago he was playing for Hull and getting relegated from the Prem, and he’s now one of the first names on the teamsheet, playing in Champions League matches, and a true hero of the Kop….and plays like he is going to make the most of every second of playing at this level. Is there a better left back in the Premiership? And Milner, what can I say about him? That tackle on Neymar early on let him know he was in a game, while being a perfectly good tackle, and he was just everywhere.. He should be drug tested after each game – he’s just getting better and better. Mikus, the other day you had a little pop at Henderson – you”ve got to admit, he bossed it last night!
So I’m a happy man this morning, and good luck to the other English teams tonight, except maybe Man utd (old habits die hard!)
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Right, I’m off to Anfield now, with a certain amount of trepidation. Heart says 3-1 Liverpool, head says 3-2 PSG!!
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I thin k Dier looks a lazy player to me. He strolls around like he thinks he’s Glen Hoddle, thinking he’s God’s gift to the world of football. While there are plenty of Spurs players I do admire, Dier ain’t one of them. Vastly overrated, in my opinion. And Mikus, Henderson, while not everyone’s cup of tea is a big step up from Dier. A far more intelligent player than Dier, and a harder worker.
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So who is finishing 2nd?
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So Sean, nail your colours to the mast! Where will we finish this season?0
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Without wishing to open a discussion again on Hillsborough, surely the media coverage in the days after the tragedy had the knock on effect of encouraging opposition fans to sing the disgusting ‘always the victim…’ song which has carried on to this day.
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And, by the way, Jim, your team in our Footy Debate Fantasy League IS shit!!
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And as for the little spat that I missed while I was away between Jim, Sean and the Ed, I did enjoy Ed’s comments about moaning fans, but I equally enjoyed Jim’s response. However successful a team is and however greta their football is, football fans love to moan, and assume that the world is against them, be it referees, the FA, the media, whoever! I think it is fair to say that the only proven case of where there was an agenda was Hillsborough. All other ‘agendas’ are simply the opinions of our own natural bias towards our own clubs, and that should never change.
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