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He has always been a quality player. Problem is he came through really young and the mismanagement caused his development to hinder.

Last season wasn’t a fluke. He was playing with alot of hunger and drive. This season his attitude is the complete opposite.

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This isn’t the 1st time VAR has blatantly failed on a similar level to Saturdays game. Look at the goal City scored against Fulham earlier this season, where a player who was offside by a few yards interfered with play and the goal was given. Liverpool have benefited from decisions too, for the example the Spurs game last season.

VAR has been a shambles. I believe the point is, why are officials getting so many decisions wrong.

There should have been the same level of uproar for the above. But there wasn’t because City ended up winning the game convincingly.

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Genuinely what is the point in this “Ref Watch” segment, they wheel in Dermot Gallagher to blindly back the referee and try to justify these horrific decisions that we see week in week out. pic.twitter.com/IvwWi270Zm

— Jack Fawcett (@JFAnalysis) October 2, 2023

In a few weeks time, when a team gets a penalty for a similar incident…he will be justifying it by saying how the player changed the direction of the ball with his hand when it was heading towards the opposition player.

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When you observe VAR during international tournaments like the Euros and World Cup, many applaud it. Saying how brilliant it is.

Which makes you question, why do our refs get so much wrong when we have it in place. Mike Dean not so long ago said he didn’t want to show up his mate, so he ignored utilising VAR for a decision. If that isn’t admitting conflict of interest and corruption, then what is. How quickly did those comments get brushed under the carpet too.

We do not go a weekend without scratching our heads thinking something isn’t right here.

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Rest well old friend

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The 2 refs officiating the Liverpool game were both officiating a game in the UAE just a few days prior.

Adlab, Where are the City owners from?

VAR has exposed how corrupt the game is. I cannot believe even with technology, the refs can get so much wrong.

There needs to be a clamp down on pundits and so called journalists influencing the refs. The outcry with the Onana decision in comparison to a stone wall penalty Brentford should have got against Spurs that same weekend was alarming. If you are going to discuss 1, discuss the other too. We all know United sell and make clicks, but the level of coverage was just ridiculous.

Dermot Gallagher also showed his double standards last week when he said the Arsenal penalty against Spurs was correct, yet the 1 United should have received against Spurs just a few weeks prior was the right call too, mentioning the player was too close to the player, so it wasn’t a penalty.

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Nicely put. This net spend argument has only come about within the last 5 years. I cannot remember it ever being mentioned when Ferguson was in charge or during Peps 1st couple of years in charge of City.

In modern day football, the only club who could use the net spend argument is Liverpool due to their sell to buy policy.

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Liverpool is typically referenced as an example of a club bound by financial imperative and is predictably namechecked by Smith in his comments.

Although they are never perceived as much, when you examine its transfer activity compared to Manchester City the two clubs’ dealings are strikingly similar.

Far fetched as it comes.

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If some are going to mention the Veron fee from 2001 and Rio fee in 2002. Ferguson had the right to go out and spend that. He single handedly put that club in a position to do that. Without him and the success he brought to that club the previous decade, United would not have generated the funds to do that.

United, Liverpool and Arsenal success will always be because of the legacy left from managers. City will be down to someone from the middle east. Without him, there would be no Pep at City.

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According to the site below-

https://www.transferleague.co.uk/manchester-united/english-football-teams/manchester-united-transfers

Manchester United had a 100k net spend the 1st 5 years of the PL era.

The same site states the following during the same period-
Newcastle 37m net
Blackburn 39m net
Arsenal 35m net
Everton 30m net
Liverpool 25m net
Manchester City 12m net

If you go by inflation – Roy Keane who cost 3.75m and Duncan Ferguson who cost 4m would cost 80m today according to many, which is roughly 20 times more.

100,000 x 20 = 2m in today’s market.

Sir Alex Ferguson delivered 4 league titles in those 1st 5 years, only time he didn’t deliver was when Jack Walker Blackburn won it in 95.

Different eras, but what Pep spent during his 1st 15 months in charge, no other club besides from Chelsea recently has come close to, I believe he spent 450m. He improved a side that already had the likes of Kompany, Fernandinho, Silva, De Bruyne, Aguero, Sterling and others.

Ferguson had to rebuild from the ground up. Pep had the structure and finances in place.

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Arsenal have done well to last this long.

They are a few players short to get over the line. Similar to what Liverpool were years ago before the arrival of Van Dijk and Alison.

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Back then it was effectively, Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea. But the other teams surrounding were not strong enough to be able to take points off the big guns.

Is that because the quality of teams have depleted over time in comparison to what they once were. Besides from City, I don’t think many players from this era will be remembered as elite.

Salah, Van Dijk, Kane being the only noticeable ones outside of City.

You look at the points total now and how many games Liverpool and City have lost when competing for the title in comparison to when United, Arsenal, Chelsea dominated too. Leeds United could beat anyone on there day back then, same with Spurs and Liverpool.

The game is going through a period where every top team across europe besides from 1 or 2 are at their worse.

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Tactical fouling is a trait used by teams like Manchester City. Fernandinho did it for years and people scratched their head wondering why he never receive a booking until the 5th offence.

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Just came across this thread, and it took me a few minutes to register what I read.

I am truly sorry for what you’re going through, Nine. Over the years, we have had quite a few battles when it comes to our clubs. Yet, I have always respected your passion and love for your club, as well as the opinions you shared on here and TeamTalk.

Keep fighting, my friend. I hope Saturdays result placed a smile on your face.

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So Brighton play out of their skins against United. Yet, have been piss poor against Everton. What a funny old game.

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What a crap end to the season. Top 4 should have been done and dusted weeks ago and here we are.

Rashford has gone back to being his usual self. Loses possession and then starts jogging without any attempt to reclaim the ball.

Where has this style of play crept in from. They pass the ball like they are having a kick about with their mates in the park. No urgency what so ever.

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Congratulations to the Liverpool fans on here for their 1st title win in 30 years. Thoroughly deserved.

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Please don’t remind me of the Glazer takeover. A club which went from being debt free to over £800m in debt in a matter of seconds, yet after £1.2b of interest payments, are still over £400m in debt.

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In regards to Wigan, has anyone read this-

A thread: How Wigan Athletic have been victim to one of the greatest sporting scandals of all time.

— mark ?? (@marksparko) July 3, 2020

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I believe Jose style has suffered due to the lack of quality defenders and leaders, especially center backs in the game today. He loves to play counter attacking football, which worked well at Chelsea twice, when he had Terry, Carvalho, Cahill, Inter with Lucio and Samuel, Madrid Ramos, Pepe/Varane. When the opposition made a mistake, these players came out of the back and got a counter attacking move going. At United, he had Jones, Smalling, Rojo and Bailly, then Lindelof later, at Spurs, he has a ageing centre back pairing and a error prone Sanchez.

There seems to be a fair bit of emerging attacking talent coming through, yet there are a shortage of quality defenders coming through, especially center backs. United still have not filled the void left by Vidic and Rio, Chelsea have struggled to replace Cahill and Terry, Pep struggled to replace Kompany last summer. Biggest indication is Klopp, Liverpool needed a center back for years, the transfer committee probably had a long list of players, Klopp waited until the right player came along and got him, he knew the others on the list were not any better than the players he had already.

I have seen a few fans now say their side needs a center back, from City, United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, there is a reason so many are struggling to bring 1 in. Compare to who the league had 10-15 years ago to now, Rio, Vidic, Terry, Carvalho, Carragher, Hyppia, Agger, King, Campbell, Kompany.

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