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Yup, like I said, var has just exposed how corrupt the refs are.

Don’t we have PL refs officiating in the Saudi league too.

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Agree Alfie.

When is Amad returning? Reckon he could do a job in that position. Mount is a good shout too.

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Shocking game of football. Antony is shockingly bad. £90m down the toilet.

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The likes of Pogba, Lingard, Rashford and Sancho were known to be disruptive or lack courtesy when United lost.

Rooney said when United suffered an embarrassing defeat, himself and Carrick walked in to the changing room the day after for training and Lingard and Pogba were dancing.

With Sancho disciplinary problems, he is clearly having an influence on certain individuals.

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United’s managers win percentage post Ferguson –

Ten Hag – 65.6%
Mourinho – 58%
Ole – 54%
Moyes – 52.98%
LVG – 52.43%
Rangnick – 38%

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Mikus-

Do you mean someone like Ole or Ragnick?

Ten Hag Ajax side scored 100+ goals 3/4 seasons when he was in charge. He is known for playing good football.

The same pattern has happened since Ferguson retired. Like Keane said leopards never changes its spots. They get Klopp or Pep in, both would be thrown under the bus too.

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Too many individuals, not enough team players.

Some players look like they have stopped playing for the manager.

A scattergun transfer approach. Buying players past their best, buying players who didn’t want to be at the club, but went for the money, buying unestablished players who needed the right structure to develop.

Off the pitch, no structure or strategy in place. An out of date training complex, a stadium falling apart. Too many people given positions and are clearly out of depth.

Yet the same mistakes are being made over again.

The club is in a big mess and are a shambles. It seems like the owner are relying on facilities and system which made Ferguson successful, yet are too naive to know during Ferguson’s tenure, the club evolved on and off the pitch, along with the owners not realising Ferguson never would have bought 80% of the transfers the club have made since he left. Why would he buy Fellaini and Mata(2 number 10s) when he already had Rooney.

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Messi has been gifted 4 Balon d’Or, when others had a bigger impact on their sides.

Sneijder 2010(Inter won the treble)

Van Dijk 2019(best PL CB, big impact on Liverpool success and helped them win the CL)

Lewandowski 2021(helped Bayern win thetreble)

Haaland/ De Bruyne(either deserved it)

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Leaks coming out about Ten Hag. The same old story.

Blame the manager because he is too tough i.e. Ten Hag, Van Gaal, Jose. Blame the manager because he is not tough enough i.e. Ole.

You can guess which players have leaked the stories. They have been around that club for years.

I would say this again, the Glazers have allowed players get away with being spoilt brats for so long, regardless who the manager is, it will continue happening.

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Well this award is meaningless now. Messi should not be anywhere near winning the award. He has been waning over the years.

Have people got a issue with players from the PL winning this award. Haaland, De Bruyne, Van Dijk and Salah should have won this accolade based on what they have achieved over the years. Some how they get overlooked.

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Agree Nil.

I hope he wakes up soon, behind elite managers like Klopp and Pep. I believe Ten Hag is just a level below. He needs time to fix the problems that have crept in to the club over the years.

If United let him go, Bayern or Barcelona will be after him guaranteed and he will be a success at either club.

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Got to admit, Ten Hag has made some bizarre decisions lately which should not be criticised.

Stripping Maguire the captaincy and handing it to Bruno. Bruno is a brilliant player on his day, but I don’t think he is captains material. Too much of a hot head.

Not playing Mount recently. Paid £60m and was his main target. Gave him the number 7 shirt and has dropped him lately.

Not playing Varane and Reguilon yesterday. Both should have started.

Taking Amrabat off at half time.

Keeping Rashford on when he has been playing poorly lately.

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This would have been me if United recruited Ange

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Mikus-

Neil Lennon was a success at Celtic, so was Brendon Rogers and many others. Ange period is no different to Ole at United when he arrived. When he loses a few games, thats when the real test will be.

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Mikus-

Klopp initially did well at Mainz. But he ended getting relegated with them and then left after failing to secure promotion.

He did well at Dortmund. But failed to replicate his success after losing key players and ended up leaving.

Before Ten Hag arrived at Ajax, they failed to win the league in 5 years and he ended up winning 3 during the 4 years he was there. They reached the semi finals of the CL and consistently did well with him in charge.

They now sit bottom of the league.

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Klopp only managed in 1 league. Had a disaster final season at Dortmund and also has a relegation under his belt at Mainz. Ten Hag also did well in Europe at Ajax.

Ange hasn’t accomplished anything at Spurs yet. He literally performing no different to what Ole did when he 1st arrived at United. Managing United compared to Spurs is a different kettle of fish too.

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Yup. But he also has inherited a lot of tripe which clearly are not good enough and should have been sold years ago. Especially in defence.

You can sort of see what he wants to do, but lacks the squad depth to do it.

If United get rid of him. From all errors they have made over the years, this would be biggest mistake of them all in my opinion. He is someone who has modern day footballing psychology, stuck in a disjointed and unorganised structure.

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Besides from Hojlund, I don’t know who United or Ten Hag have bought for the future recently. They have bought established international players.

You look at Peps and Klopp signings. They have generally bought players who play for a team. United over the years have bought individuals. Some players even forced on to managers and some kept when the manager didn’t want them.

Would Klopp allowed a player like Pogba to join? Because he wouldn’t have had a choice. Van Gaal said United only focused on the commercial aspect when it came to some signings. How would Klopp have dealt with that if he was United?

At United you are not only managing a footballing side, you have to also put up with the brand and commercial side of things.

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Mikus,

You make some good points. But I don’t think United are following Ferguson methods anymore. The Glazers off the pitch are clinging on to his coattail because it is his success which has kept United name on top when it comes to revenue. But on the pitch, they are doing the exact opposite.

Ferguson would never have bought Schweinsteiger, Falcao, Di Maria, Sanchez, Lukaku, Zlatan, Pogba. Most of those players were either past their best or didn’t want to be at the club, they only went there for the pay packet. That is where the club has gone wrong.

The club has become lost over the years.

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Ten Hag has been United’s most successful manager post Ferguson and has had the best debut season imo. United football was good at times last season and they went on a decent unbeaten run.

You look at what he did at Ajax, where they scored a lot of goals and did well in Europe, I believe he is the right man for the job.

Problem is, he has inherited a toxic environment, which seems to come about randomly. It is like a on off switch. Who has caused that? The owners have let the players take over and dictate things.

Read Peps comments after the game. He says he is on the same wavelength as the owners, CEO, sporting directors and other key figures at the club. Klopp is the same at Liverpool.

United do not have a structure in place for a manager to succeed. Everything has been scattergun and no manager would be a success under that environment.

Ole lifted things when Jose got sacked. How long did that work out. Ten Hag lifted things when he won Uniteds 1st trophy in 6 years. Look where are now. Players seem to throw managers under the bus quickly at this club. Why have the owners allowed that to happen?

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