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He’s definitely having us on 😂🤣🤣 pic.twitter.com/8W3QLnjO82
— HM (@MUnitedGirl) April 27, 2024
Is cannabis still legal in Amsterdam?
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After losing key players in Henderson, Fabinho, and Firminho.
The injuries that Liverpool have had. You have to give credit that they even challenged Arsenal and City.
That is down to Klopp, that is the difference between an elite manager and good manager. Klopp gets an extra out of players and has done.
Unfortunately for Liverpool fans, the players have ran out of steam.
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The last 5 successful managers in the PL have been Pep, Klopp, Jose, Wenger and Ferguson.
4 of those put their name on the map with what they achieved in Europe, along with domestically. If Klopp was only successful in the Bundesliga, then Liverpool would not have hired him imo. If Ten Hag was only successful in the Dutch league, then United would not have hired him. If Jose did not win the CL with Porto, then Chelsea would not have hired him. If Ferguson didn’t beat Real Madrid with Aberdeen, then chances are United would not have hired him.
But I do agree, charisma plays a part. 4 of those had charisma and played good football. That’s why the top clubs ended up chasing them. It was also how they did away from their own leagues.
Regarding Zidane and Tuchel. Zidane has never tested himself outside of Madrid and Tuchel isn’t a bad manager. Looks like Chelsea regretted sacking him.
Klopp was already a well known name after Dortmund and I was genuinely concerned when Liverpool hired him. Regarding Arne Slot, I am just not convinced. He could end up being a success, but he has big shoes to fill and this is Edwards 1st managerial appointment in football. Good at player recruitment, but doesn’t have a track record with the managerial side of things.
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Adding to my comment above
Klopp walked into a right mess at Liverpool, so i dismiss your point about Klopp and the structure.
In 2016, Liverpool hired Edwards. Look at the recruitment during his time, which helped Klopp identify the players who contributed to Liverpool’s success and look at the recruitment after he left. Not many Liverpool fans are happy with the players brought in.
United lost David Gill when Ferguson retired and hired someone who clearly was out of depth. Look at the mess he made. So having a good structure does contribute in success.
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Your last paragraph makes zero sense. Firstly, which utd managers were compared to Fergie and how?
David Moyes was compared to Ferguson. When it was spoken about how he was cut from the same cloth.
You clearly missing the point. Ten Hag was appointed on the back of him doing well in Europe, like Klopp was appointed Liverpool manager at the back of him do it well at Dortmund, they both lost a number of key players who contributed to that success.
Ten Hag won two titles in 5 years and one run to the CL semi final with Ajax.
He won 3 league titles and would have won 4, if the Dutch league was not cancelled because of COVID.
Dortmund this year are in the CL semi final
Beating Real Madrid in their own yard 4-1 and beating a strong Juventus side is more impressive than beating PSV and Athletico Madrid.
Oh right its the poor club structure that led you to start a thread titled “Time for Ten Hag to go”.
I always said if Ten Hag had a good structure in place, it would help. United never did, Klopp saw United didn’t and didn’t accept the job. He saw Liverpool did, and it helped him.
I was not portraying Ten Hag being some success story at United, I mentioned the names on the back of how they became known around Europe and why they got the big jobs after
I may have ruffled your feathers here. But now many Liverpool fans had Arne Slot down in their top 5 list?
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Truthfully Ten Hag would be a success elsewhere. He just walked in to a mess at United and is struggling. If he had a structure similar to what he did at Ajax, like Klopp did at Liverpool, Ten Hag most likely would have been a success. His stubbornness has also been questionable at times.
But that is besides the point. Arne Slot has only won 1 league title in the Dutch league. Ten Hag had a bigger reputation because of what he did at Ajax in Europe and domestically.
Jose was a success at Porto in Europe before going to Chelsea and being a success. Then landing jobs at Inter, Real Madrid and Manchester United.
Poch reputation is based on how well he did at Spurs before landing jobs at PSG and Chelsea.
What has Arne Slot done? His
Feyenoord side didn’t exactly impress anyone across Europe this season. People have not spoken about them up until he was linked to Liverpool and he is going to miss out on the league title to PSV. It is not exactly he is leaving that club on the high.This he is similar to Klopp is a recipe for disaster. As a United fan, I should know when a manager was constantly being compared to his predecessor.
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Arne Slot is going to be a disaster for Liverpool.
The likes of Ferguson, Jose, Klopp, Pep, Ten Hag made a name for themselves because of what they accomplished in Europe. Ten Hags Ajax were in the semi final of the CL, beating Real Madrid, Juventus and narrowly losing to Spurs.
Klopp showed what he is capable of at Dortmund, when they reached the final of the CL and Ferguson at Aberdeen.
Arne Slot side struggled in the CL and Europa league this season. He hasn’t over achieved, he literally has done well in a poor quality Dutch league. Only winning the title once.
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Who on earth is Arne Slot?
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That’s where you’re wrong Banjo. I am a fan of Pep, I believe I have never seen a manager come in and have his sides dominate games the way they have done, but that only works to an extent. Wenger did it, but he never had the backing Pep has.
You being a Spurs fan, considering the limitations your club has on buying players. Who would you trust to challenge in today’s game? Klopp or Pep.
I would have Klopp because he has done it at Liverpool and Dortmund. That’s what I believe makes an elite manager.
I believe too much is made of Pep, when context is being taken out.
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Poor subs didn’t help Alfie. Mainoo should never been taken off.
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We have been on the bad side of every single decision pic.twitter.com/rmUkhk0VEC
— UtdPlug (@UtdPlug) April 21, 2024
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The game is truly corrupt. That is not a penalty.
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This side can piss off.
Shambles.
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Like you say Banjo, debating who is the greatest will never be agreed on.
Paisley, Shankly, Busby, Ferguson, Jose, Pep, Jock Stein, Klopp all did things and won things in their own unique.
I believe the question was asked, would Pep be capable of competing with a line up that consistently cost 260m in today’s era compared to one that cost €700m.even after Madrid spends a fortune on Bellingham, they still managed to field a side thay cost 1/3 of Peps. I also read that Peps starting 11 yesterday cost over 100m more than Chelsea’s. This is them without Haaland and Gvardiol.
If everything was even financially for him, where would he be?
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There have been many top managers who managed clubs like Dortmund, Aberdeen and Porto and had them compete against the elite.
When Ferguson took over Manchester United, they were in the relegation zone. He was offered the Spurs and Arsenal job at the time, who were in a much better position on and off the pitch and went with Manchester United due to the challenge.
Klopp had his Dortmund side competing after they were midtable for so many seasons. Having them reach a CL final. Went to Liverpool after rejecting Manchester United, had his Liverpool side go toe to toe against City, a side that spent 40m+ on almost every position.
Pep is an exceptional tactician, but I always felt he always takes the easy option, rather than a challenge. At the time he took over City, they had Kompany, Yaya, Silva, Fernandinho, Aguero. They won the league title with Pellegrini. Pellegrini went to West Ham and was sacked after they were in a relegation battle. What does that tell you?
My opinion on Pep is he always takes on challenges where he can build around a team, rather than build a team. Ten Hag has to build a side with a mentality of challenging, Pep wouldn’t want that challenge because it is a big risk for him, whilst Ferguson, Klopp would.
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A clear handball in the box.
Walker shoved Jackson in the box and did not give a penalty. Yet Walker committed the same foul towards the end outside the box and he gave a free kick.
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Why is the person who is on the UAE payroll in charge of City games?
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Isn’t it telling that this is Klopp worse side in years, had to deal with so many injuries and yet he is still going toe to toe with Pep in the league?
City suffer when they lose Rodri and De Bruyne. Imagine if they had to deal with the same level of injuries as Klopp has done this season. Yet Klopp still has Liverpool challenging for the league.
Pep has never been in position where he has had to deal with long term injuries to more than 2 of his key players. That is because he has always had the best strength in depth the game has seen. If he had a depleted side, that is where your skills definitely come in to play.
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An interesting topic. I also believe refereeing has changed and influenced how the game is being played. Zola I could see flourishing in today’s era because he would most likely be more protected. Some challenges that were allowed back in the 90s, will be punished today.
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I reckon Rooney, Tevez, Torres, Aguero, Villa, Henry would have flourished in todays era. But 10-15 years ago teams played 4-4-2, you had 1 forward who scored the goals and another who held up play. Now the front 3 are expected to do the hold up play and score the goals and traditional wingers have been made redundant.
I wonder how wide players back then would do in today’s game playing 4-3-3 and as wide forwards. Players like Giggs would have benefited from it imo. Whilst I believe players like Salah would struggle playing in a midfield 4 back then.
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