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Can you imagine a market in which Asensio is worth £133m? guess how much a player of Hazard’s ability will be worth? Hazard is £180m caliber player in today’s market. and that is a reality. which means Madrid values Bale at £80m. although i wouldn’t want him at Chelsea. i prefer one of the younger two, Isco preferably
Come on Pax i hope you are not comparing Hazard to Alli?
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Its all about opinions in this forum. but i’m in the camp that feels Bale is past his best and won’t be a useful addition to our squad. but i stand to be proven wrong. the man is too injury prone. and as you know in our last two transfer windows we have bought injured/previously injured players. and i will be wary about adding another historically injured player. on the other hand Hazard is the only technically gifted player that we have, or may be i should add Willian but not in the Hazard class. which means if we lose him, we will have no other player who can take on the defences. in that case Bale isn’t technically gifted footballer. although i would admit he is a good player, i’m not worried only about his age. i’m also worried about his adaptation to the game. given that he has had this recurring injury in the last 5 years. don’t you see he will be losing a yard of his pace? 18 months isn’t a big gap for me.
i think like you i feel the best deal is to retain Hazard. but if he says he he has a desire to move to Madrid, then he should do this summer whilst we have the bargaining power. or even we come to some sort of agreement with him, and he signs a contract during the season and we sell him in the summer for big fee. i feel that Hazard wants Real Madrid. but he isn’t sure about how things could go. and may be that is why he is delaying his decision til the summer. we will be stupid not to resolve this issue in this summer. but then again we are Chelsea, and anything is possible.
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Bale and Hazard? Bale will be 29 by July. Hazard is 27. there is a two year gap between them. and age factor aside. I would be skeptical about Bale’s fitness. as those who have followed football will tell you. the more injury you get the more you lose a yard of your pace. and Bale has had a few injuries in the last 4 years. while Hazard has only one major injury in his 6 years at Chelsea. so his fitness record is better. What we need is a younger player with good fitness record. and of the two younger players i would take them even if they are not in Hazard’s level yet. but they are young and can adapt their game.
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Apart from his age. i feel Ronaldo can play in any team and any league. he is a player who knows when to raise to the occasion. but at 33 next month, i would say his best days are behind him. will he have the physicality to cope with the PL at his advanced age? i have my doubts. as for Bale. i haven’t been his biggest fan always. apart from his last season at Spurs and his first season at Madrid. he has always been inconsistent to be considered the top 5 best players in the world. these are my bets, Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Suarez,Griezmann/Hazard. personally i won’t be too keen if Chelsea is offered to him. my preference is the younger ones. Isco/Asensio either of them. and if push comes to shove, Isco is my man. as he knows how to dribble past players.
Hazard has make a decision. and i suspect Madrid may have turned his head already. grant him his wish get as much as you can. he has reached the end of the cycle with us.
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Chelsea should resolve this Hazard deal ASAP. We can’t afford this saga to drag on. the more it drags on the more we lose. remember the Sanchez saga and how it started in the summer of 2016/17 season. and eventually Arsenal was forced to accept a deal that is way below his market value. i’m afraid we may face similar scenario if we don’t find a solution this summer.
Sell Hazard if he isn’t ready to sign a new contract. the only thing i will not entertain is selling him to City or United. but selling him to a continental team and getting players that are hungry will be good. Real Madrid is said to want him. then open negotiations with them. this guy is toying us. he said ” i will change clubs when i want” whilst forgetting it will be Chelsea that will be calling the shots in any deal. i’m sick to death in this saga. we can’t have these rumours every season. Get Isco or Asensio whoever they offer and some cash. and move on. no player is bigger than the club.
We can’t afford to entertain side shows. on one interview he says that he admires Zidane, on the other interview he says since his childhood he wanted to play for Madrid. and the other interview he says he is happy at Chelsea. this guy is taking us for a ride. i hope the club takes best decision in the interest of the club. but i don’t trust them. after the revelation that they overruled Antonio Conte about the Michy transfer. and how we have suffered with this false 9 in the two games that we lost badly.
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So its Luis Enrique that we are angling towards. but having looked at him and Conte. he isn’t superior to Conte. infact Conte is better. so i don’t know why our board is pushing Conte out? the man is shaping up the squad to his liking. imagine what he could do if we grant him the freedom to buy his own players?
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Be careful what you wish for. we don’t play a fluid system and Aguero may struggle at Chelsea. the team is built around him for years at City. Pep is now trying to change that. like i said my preference is Isco plus £100m . and having watched Asensio tonight, he isn’t a bad option.
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We have already had our revenge from them. no need to revisit that incident though.
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No chance that happening IMO. i think he is nailed to join Real if he leaves Chelsea. and its time Marina sharpens her negotiation skills for this deal. i will be disappointed if we pocket less than £180m. if Real wants to throw players in to this deal they should throw players worthy of a look. Bale is past his best IMO. too injury prone and is not getting any younger.
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I’m not a believer of sideshows. Hazard wants to stay at Chelsea, he should stop giving interviews and sign the contract. and didn’t Hazard said when Neymar was sold for that world record fee of £196m, that he will be more than that? if we get that £180m for Hazard, as much as i hate to admit this. we should cash him and reinvest it back. even if its a £100m and Isco or Asensio its a good deal. Hazard has served us well for us. and is very important to our team. but if we get that £180m its time to cash him. that money is too good to be turned down.
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Whilst i can see where you are coming from. but you know this league is always unforgiving. you can’t measure the success that you had in the past. a good example of that was the Fernando Torres of Liverpool and the Fernando Torres of Chelsea. quality player at Liverpool but a pale shadow of his former self at Chelsea. so i don’t think we can measure him what he has been doing 5-6 years ago. he will be five year older. and in case if you don’t know Bale are the kind of players that rely pace. and at 29 will he have that? i can tell you he has technical ability like Hazard and Isco posses. his is to rely more on pace. and the injuries he has had for the five years at Madrid may rob him some of that, i’m skeptical about that kind of player. but i stand to be proven wrong. i was against Matic when we bought him back. and i was forced to eat my words. similarly i was skeptical about Luiz, the same happened. but i can’t see Bale succeeding at Chelsea. i would rather have Isco, that is my preferred player. most Chelsea fans prefer Asensio. but i’m a massive fan of Isco. he is purely technical player.
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Makaveli, defensive as in what? i’m not defending anything. i’m putting records straight. i hope Firmino was signed in the summer of 2015/16. but you know more than i do as you support the club. Spending now must for a club to succeed. that is what i was trying to point. and getting your business correctly will be the most crucial jigsaw. since Klopp has arrived Liverpool got their business right. Mane, Salah, VVD, Robertson, Matip are all great players with potential to become world class. similarly Mourinho is getting most of the business right. he got Lukaku, Pogba, Sanchez, Bailey, Matic. and Pep got his business right. the Jury is out for Chelsea, Arsenal business. but i hope we will get clear answers once the season is over.
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In a follow up to my posts above, not long ago Liverpool have been getting most of their business wrong. you bought so many players in the summer of 2014/15 season. and none of them was success, only Can was good. so you can’t say Liverpool gets 100% right. the same can be said about Chelsea, we don’t always get it right, and may be i will also add United and Arsenal. City got their business right this summer. but it wasn’t like this every summer. we can’t moan about how somebody spends. take United that you are moaning about as an example. you have finished above them last season, and only 2 points behind them this season. which shows money alone can’t influence the performance. Liverpool is not on par with United but they no longer on tight budget like they were before.
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I would rather see Chelsea take cash payment if the deal includes Bale. at 29 yrs and injury prone, it won’t help us. and Real Madrid wants to take him off their wage bill. we can’t be paying fortunes to a player who is injured most of the time. and not getting any younger. on the other hand Isco has been crown prince of the Spanish national team. he is the heir apparent to Iniesta. but some how Zidane doesn’t know how to get the best out of him. and Madrid has super stars who will eclipse him. but at Chelsea he will have the main man tag when Hazard leaves. and he takes the no 10 shirt and role. i would rather have Isco and £100million than a £100million and Bale.
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Yes you can’t match their spending, but you are also spending. you have paid a record £75m for a defender in January. you have offered Real Madrid £150m for Asensio in January. so teams are spending nowadays. no team is left behind.
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Gareth Bale? No ! thanks please. Isco or Asensio yes. but we can’t have another injury prone player. we have Barkley already in our hands, and our doctors are busy with him. i can’t see Chelsea accepting that kind of deal. its time that Marina sharpens her negotiation skills. to pull off the best deal possible.
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The issue isn’t always about how much you spend. those days along gone. the issue now is how wise can you spend? and a few club get it right every summer. if you spend over £300m and you don’t get it right. there will be no improvement in to your squad. spending wisely is the challenge.
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Has Wenger forgotten that his team need more in defence than in attack? i was surprised to see him looking for another striker? at the minute Arsenal need a CB more than a striker. they also need out and out wingers to compete. only City have out and out wingers this season. and that is why they miles head of everybody. we need to return to that important set up. i remember Mourinho’s first season with us in 2004/05 season. we had two an out and out wingers in Duff and Robben. and you have seen how we have blown teams around. i would like Chelsea to go back to that set up.
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Personally out of the mooted players, i will take Isco as he is very skillful like Coutinho, and will do a job. if we can build a team around him and Morata. but they say horses for courses. majority of the Chelsea would want Asensio in that deal. but all i hear is that Real are reluctant to sell him. which means Isco plus cash could be the realistic chance.
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According to Spanish news outlet Diario Gol, Real have tabled a swap deal for Hazard.
Florentino Perez wants to reduce Chelsea’s asking price for the Belgium star and the Real president is willing to let Isco, Gareth Bale or Karim Benzema go in a player-plus-cash move.
Diario Gol say Perez wants to get rid of the three Real stars and he’s keen to use one of them to complete the Hazard deal.
Chelsea’s favoured player out of the trio is said to be Spain international Isco.
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