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You are defending the spending of 180m and using ugarte as example of him being a club signing and not eth?
didn’t really follow this part Sean. What part do you disagree with? The club have rightly moved to buying players for the club instead of for the manager.
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A lot of questions there Sean. When did I defend the spending of £180mil? Happy to be proven wrong but can’t remember defending that. What is there to defend anyway. Not sure what you mean. Why would I want to defend us spending money?
I did a uturn about Tuchel? In what sense? I didn’t want him but came to the conclusion that he was probably the best of a bad bunch. I stand by that.
The doubters were proved right about Eth? I wanted Eth. Would never deny that. I still think it was the right appointment. That it ultimately ended badly doesn’t mean it was the wrong choice. The alternative was Poch who was also sacked. Who’s to say that would have gone any better? As I wrote above, you have to take a gamble at times like Barca did with a fallen Flick. Who wouldn’t be a gamble? Tell me who you’d have gone for then? I’m not sure what you want me to say?! 😅. Should I be saying this is another terrible choice and it will be awful? I’ll get behind the manager as I do every manager.
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A big club needs a big manager. It really is as simple as that.
It sounds incredibly simple Mikus. Why then did both Chelsea and Bayern sack Tuchel and what makes you think he wouldn’t have done what he’s done everywhere he’s been and fallen out with everyone?
I’m amazed that if it’s a simple as just appointing one of these journeymen, why none of them were wanted by Liverpool fans when Klopp went. You’re a big club too who aren’t afraid to spend money when the need arises.
With the benefit of hindsight, Flick seems like one that got away but it’s worth remembering that his stock had fallen significantly after the Germany debacle. Barca gambled and it paid off but it took a lot of bravery to appoint him after what was a disastrous spell in charge of Germany.
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There seems to only ever be 2 camps. You’re either on the side of blaming all the managers. It’s all their fault. Or you’re on the side of the managers being blameless and the fault lying with the players. Both can be true. I keep hearing how Utd have tried so many managers and how they need to start blaming the players. If the managers aren’t a big part of the problem, why have none of the managers since Ferguson gone on to top jobs? Not one has proved Utd were wrong to get rid of them. We are however starting to see examples of players maybe showing that they weren’t the problem at Utd. McTominay springs to mind. The young LB at Benfica another. Sancho potentially another.
The club isn’t the mess it’s made out to be. Arsenal were in an absolute state before Arteta came in. Barcelona before Flick. A good manager who the players believe in has a huge impact on player morale and performance. The academy are flying. Eased to a U18 PL win last season and currently on a 100% record so far hammering everyone in the age group. We’re finally making top class appointments around the manager. That’s not to say they won’t get things wrong. They may be wrong on Amorim but the only thing they can do is give him the best possible chance to succeed.
I’m yet to hear a good alternative to him who was available. Everyone is an expert on the problem but nobody is able to offer an idea of a solution.
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Steady on with the Ange love in 😅. He was 2-0 against Brighton remember…
Utd hammering Leicester here. Possible we get a double new manager bounce soon then. Finally can enjoy watching us again.
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Mikus, most of that £180mil was only possible because we recouped the majority of it through player sales. There’s a very real risk of us running close of breaching the PSR rules so gone are the days of big spending at Utd and we’ll never be able to match the likes seen at Chelsea recently.
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I just think you need a big name to manage a club with that spending ability and the expectations that brings. Chelsea have tried a raft of managers to develop young players from Lampard to Potter to Pochettino. And look how that’s gone. Look how Moyes, Solksjaer & Ten Hag went. A big name like Tuchel was the last Chelsea manager to win a European trophy, a much bigger achievement than a domestic cup. Just like Mourinho was the last Man Utd manager to win a European trophy. Yes its rumoured City were looking at Amorim, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they would have appointed him. And if he would have been it may have been more like a transitional appointment.
Yet here are Chelsea, the biggest spenders in history, doing well with a manager who did nothing more than a decent job in the Championship. Tuchel may have done a decent job but is known for falling out with absolutely everyone at every club he’s been at. Ask any Chelsea fan if they’d have Tuchel back now over Maresca. Was Tuchel the only one or who else are you suggesting we should have got Mikus? The names don’t exactly roll off the tongue. Utd don’t have millions and millions to fix this any longer like we’ve had in the past. Utd are cost cutting in every single aspect of the club so there will (as ever at Utd) need to be a big focus on bringing through young players. The wage bill is rapidly declining and now only the 4th highest in the league. https://www.90min.com/posts/the-clubs-biggest-wage-bills-in-europe-ranked
I’m not suggesting City would have hired him. We’ll never know. But they get little wrong these days and the reports that they were lining him up at least suggests they saw something in him that he could make that step up. As yet, I trust their decision making over my own club’s. Berrada would have had inside knowledge of City’s succession planning.
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Personally, I’m just gutted it wasn’t Southgate!
Who knows if Amorim will be a success. Aside from Pep, there really are no guarantees of success in the game these days. The fact City were reportedly lining up Amorim as the man to replace Pep does somewhat fill me with confidence but let’s see.
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I’ve no issue at all with them not removing him this summer. As I wrote earlier, he was set up to fail with being given all that control of transfers. Having won the FA Cup and now having the structure he deserved from day one, he deserved the chance to see if he could excel in a role more focused on being a head coach rather than an all controlling old fashioned style of manager. That it ended this soon into this “new chance” is nobody’s fault but his own. He left them no choice.
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Ten Hag had power to make his own transfers and that didnt work too well! Don’t think I can ever remember a manager who made so many transfer cock-ups.
You’re not wrong Threeps. In hindsight, Ten Hag was set up to fail because he was brought in as a head coach with no top recruitment team around him and no elite director of football. Essentially no football knowledge at all at board level. Yet he was given the keys to the transfer budget. Modern day managers aren’t cut out for that. Even Klopp didn’t want Salah at Liverpool. Without the structure around him at Liverpool, who knows what he would have achieved. Same goes for Pep. These managers don’t manage their budgets like Ten Hag has done. It was set up for failure from day 1.
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One big positive change I’m seeing since Ineos came in is how under the radar these big moves are. Omar Berrada the new CEO, out of nowhere. Leny Yoro, supposedly on his way to Madrid, agrees to come to us out of nowhere. Now, out of nowhere Amorim is in talks. This is why I never for a minute believed the Southgate odds. The media were getting absolutely nothing from the club until it’s too late.
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Bonkers that they’ve just spent £180 million on players over summer to work under Ten Hag.
I think they’ve done exactly the opposite of that Mikus, hence Ten Hag’s reluctance to play Ugarte. The whole point of this summer was about moving from buying players for the manager to buying players for the club. Interestingly, Ugarte played very well for Amorim, for instance, at Sporting.
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Working on Amorim deal according to Ornstein
https://x.com/david_ornstein/status/1850965637650391404?s=46
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Southgate to Utd would be us doing the full Liverpool journey mirroring the disastrous Hodgson appointment 😁
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For what it’s worth, I think Ruud will take us until the end of the season, barring a horrific start as interim. I think that gives us more options as our top targets probably wouldn’t move mid season anyway.
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Was a matter of time. Absolutely nobody who is considered reliable has spoken up the prospect of Southgate 😆. Never ever going to happen, lads. Sounding like Frank, Nagelsmann and Amorim are the names being considered. Ornstein and Laurie Whitwell both been very quick to deny any Southgate rumours any time they come up. Seems to be lazy pundits putting together the fact Brailsford knows him and Ashworth worked with him at England.
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I’m not sure many Utd fans have been talking about any corners being turned this season Sean. Brentford are a tricky side for a lot of the big teams so I never take beating them for granted but you’re right that we should be beating them if we have any kind of aspirations this season. I think most Utd fans are just resigned to the fact Ten Hag is on borrowed time now so these mini revivals are probably just delaying the inevitable.
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Hope you had a good birthday CM. Yeah good start by Slot, no getting away from that. I did think they’d get off to a flier and I’ve always maintained we’ll not know much about Slot until they hit their first bad spell, which they’ve yet to do. So far, shades of Ange’s start at Spurs. Let’s see how they react to their first bad spell under him. Full credit to their start this far.
As for our lot, I just can’t work us out. Thought we looked very good after the tactical switch before which Brentford were all over us. The thing with us under Ten Hag is you know an awful performance is just around the corner at any given time.
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Yeah agree Sean. He badly needs a move. I think Utd letting him go for a reasonably small fee, considering those wages, would suit everyone. He’d tear it up at PSG
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Can’t stand Ange honestly with his “I always win things in my second year” snipe. Incredibly embarrassing for Ten Hag that we made them look as good as they did at OT. That alone is a sackable offence.
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