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No, that’s fair enough, though I’d argue there’s not much difference between 5th down to 10th or so if you’re not getting CL anyway. I still think they’ll finish above you this season π
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7th March 2023 at 11:08 am in reply to: Most embarrassing Manchester United performance today #205143Fair enough. I thought your 4th paragraph was aimed at me. I don’t think I’ve read a single comment by Utd fans saying we were unlucky though tbh.
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I do. Do you think if we did a poll to see how many think they’ll qualify for the next 5 out of 7, many would say yes? I’d expect Brighton to have as much of a chance as Spurs to do so. Again, that’s a compliment to Brighton more than any criticism of Spurs.
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7th March 2023 at 11:02 am in reply to: Most embarrassing Manchester United performance today #205138Again, I haven’t once mentioned luck, Lucky π. Not once have I claimed Utd were unlucky. We deserved everything we got. Not sure how many times I’ve reiterated that. What I’m suggesting is that it’s a freak occurrence to have a swing from a 2 goal xg difference to a 7 goal difference. Going forward, we can expect that will not happen again so this result shouldn’t take away from all the good work/results we’ve had this season, just as Liverpool’s hammering by Madrid doesn’t take anything away from this fantastic result they got yesterday.
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7th March 2023 at 10:53 am in reply to: Most embarrassing Manchester United performance today #205136Mikus, I’d say that’s very fair yes. We were hammered and that’s the reality, in case anyone still thinks I’m trying to excuse it π
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7th March 2023 at 10:52 am in reply to: Most embarrassing Manchester United performance today #205135Cyber-hype? We just won a trophy and knocked out probably the best team in Europe outside of the PL in the EL. Since goals/results are the only thing that matter, right? ππ
Don’t you realise Chucky that you’re saying the only thing that matters is the goals then proceeding to say Utd haven’t been as good as everyone says recently and thereby completely contradicting your “goals is everything” point? The very fact we all see games differently is the reason xg exists. If the alternative to xg and data insights is to check in with forums/social media to gauge how a team is doing then I’m taking the new stats revolution every single day.
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I don’t expect you to say anything different as a Spurs fan, Chucky. Just as I’d expect you to disagree with me that Kane might see Kane to Utd as a step up. I can’t help but feel he would see Brighton to Spurs as one almost CL club to another. I don’t think either would expect to feature much in the top 4 in the coming years with the emergence of Arsenal and Newcastle’s new found wealth on top of the expected return of Liverpool to the mix. A mix that already has City cemented for decades to come and us knocking on the door again.
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7th March 2023 at 10:34 am in reply to: Most embarrassing Manchester United performance today #205128I think I’m being misinterpreted here. By saying “the only thing that matters is the goals.” Well yes, that’s pretty damn obvious. Still, do you think managers analyse games and go “right lads,7-0. Moving on…”? What would bethe point of punditry if goals were the only thing we cared about? By saying “that’s not a 7-0 game”, it seems to be interpreted as me saying we were unlucky. We deserved everything we got. There, I’ve said it again π. But it’s till incredibly rare to have such a high conversion rate and all I’m saying is that, psychologically, Utd can take heart from the fact the stats suggest it was a game where we underperformed in terms of chance conversion and Liverpool massively overperformed.
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Which Brighton manager do you mean? The current one? I don’t think De Zerbi leaves Brighton for Spurs to be honest. I think he’s next in line for a regular CL team. That’s not to disrespect Spurs but Brighton are arguably a better team at the moment and a better place for a manager like him to thrive. I fancy him to go to Chelsea which ultimately frees up Potter, who could replace De Zerbi and go back to Brighton potentially. Poch might be your best shout. It’s surely him or Tuchel unless you go for someone completely different like Gallardo, formerly of River Plate who will be looking for a big job.
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7th March 2023 at 10:00 am in reply to: Most embarrassing Manchester United performance today #205121“There’s no justification for the Villa result…apart from the fact we lost Van Dijk and there were no supporters…” you’re worse than me Nil π
P.s. he played
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7th March 2023 at 9:59 am in reply to: Most embarrassing Manchester United performance today #205120Sean, I realise what I am writing might look like I’m trying to downplay the result or call it lucky in some way. It absolutely wasn’t lucky and there’s no getting away from the fact that we were hammered. Xg and the like is here to stay though and the quality of chances in the game shouldn’t have resulted in a 7-0 result. I’m merely trying to take heart from the fact that the result looks worse than it is as it’s all I’ve left to hold onto. Just as the Liverpool-Madrid game wasn’t a 2-5 game. I know a lot don’t bother with all these new stats and that’s fine. As you say, the history books will always say 7-0 no matter what.
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Yeah looking ominous now Chucky
The Antonio Conte era is coming to an end. Neither side wants a new deal. So what comes next? Tottenham donβt want a repeat of 2021. My piece looking at Pochettino, Tuchel and other possibles. https://t.co/8eNVOQEoZC
— Jack Pitt-Brooke (@JackPittBrooke) March 7, 2023
I think it might be Tuchel to follow the Spurs trend of going for ex Chelsea managers.
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7th March 2023 at 8:45 am in reply to: Most embarrassing Manchester United performance today #205115In fact, the xg from Villa 7-2 Liverpool was actually remarkably similar to Liverpool Utd. Both sides were hammered but you could argue in both cases that they were freak results because the winning side just scored way more than could be expected from the chances created.
Aston Villa (3.76) 7-2 (1.62) Liverpool
— The xG Philosophy (@xGPhilosophy) October 4, 2020
Souness probably needs reminding that he blamed the length of the grass for the above defeat too, before he criticises Neville for not giving Liverpool enough credit.
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7th March 2023 at 8:11 am in reply to: Most embarrassing Manchester United performance today #205114To be honest I dont really get the whole xG thing. Take Liverpools recent beating from Madrid, I know we were actually good for about 20 minutes but we ended the game with a higher xG than Madrid despite being walloped.
The scoreline certainly suggests they were walloped by Madrid but shots, shots on target, possession was all pretty even. Real Madrid scored 5 goals from 6 on target. They had no right to score at such a high conversion rate and from the quality of the chances they had. It’s not to say anyone’s interpretation of the game is incorrect if they feel Madrid actually hammered Liverpool. It’s just pointing out that the quality of chances each side created was pretty even. Liverpool took theirs (as they matched their XG). Real took more than theirs. They scored goals they had no right to score under normal circumstances.
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6th March 2023 at 6:58 pm in reply to: Most embarrassing Manchester United performance today #205110Was seemingly not supposed to be on tonight Sean by the looks of it
Behave yourself! Never meant to be on as you well know you π€‘! I will be relaxing looking forward to watching you eulogise over a team youβve killed for 2 months.. https://t.co/LNJgzupEIC
— Gary Neville (@GNev2) March 6, 2023
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6th March 2023 at 4:56 pm in reply to: Most embarrassing Manchester United performance today #205107It’s a hammering whichever way you put it though π
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6th March 2023 at 4:55 pm in reply to: Most embarrassing Manchester United performance today #205106I’m not even sure if I agree with it Sean. I’m just saying I can understand that angle. Xg is a pretty good way to gauge the quality of the chances created and it’s incredibly rare to have such a swing (2 goal difference to 7 goal difference) in xg vs actual score.
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6th March 2023 at 4:21 pm in reply to: Most embarrassing Manchester United performance today #205104That’s the point I think Neville was trying to make, albeit poorly.
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6th March 2023 at 4:17 pm in reply to: Most embarrassing Manchester United performance today #205103I’m definitely not saying it was lucky Sean. Just that it was one of those games where everything went for you and nothing for us. When xg has a 2 goal difference and the actual difference is 7 goals, it tends to suggest that the result is not a true reflection of the quality of the chances in the game.
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6th March 2023 at 3:37 pm in reply to: Most embarrassing Manchester United performance today #205100He should have given Liverpool more credit, without doubt. I can kind of get where he’s coming from though. Liverpool were good, very good even. But it was something like 5-0 then 6-0 from as many shots on goal. That just doesn’t happen usually. It was not really a 7-0 game. Xg had it at 3-1 based on quality of the chances. Some of the goals were just crazy how they bobbled around and then landed at a Liverpool player’s feet. That’s not to take any credit away from Liverpool but this wasn’t a 90min onslaught as we saw last season. This was a close 1st half where we probably even edged it followed by a total collapse in the second by us. I realise that might sound incredibly blinkered. Absolutely no complaints about the result.
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