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That’s it Sean. City and Arsenal have conceded the same number of goals as us. That’s mental as we’ve been terrible at the back.
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As you suggest Sean, City’s points tallies have probably skewed our expectations of what is considered normal for this time of the year. I’m not specifically talking points tallies. More just the quality of the top teams compared to the rest of the league. I don’t necessarily think the teams just below the top teams are better than they were the last few seasons either. Maybe it’s just me.
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I think it’s both tbh (the teams around getting stronger and the top teams having less quality). I don’t think the City and Arsenal teams are as good as 1/2/3 seasons ago. I don’t think this is a great Liverpool team either if I’m honest. Not compared to the free flowing team with Mane, Firmino, Salah etc. Slot has to take credit for racking up the points so far regardless. City of 2-3 seasons ago don’t lose in the cup then lose to Bournemouth the following match.
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Impressive comeback by Liverpool. The quality at the top of the league doesn’t seem as good as usual this season. It feels like the top sides are just getting through games rather than blowing teams away like in recent seasons. You’d still expect City to go on one of their runs soon and pull away.
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No worries Sean. Always enjoy our debates
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Good to see you back posting Beni. Hope you’re well.
Some very good games this weekend. Reckon Newcastle could take some points off Arsenal. Fancy a draw there. City should have too much for Bournemouth. Would like to see Ipswich get their first win after the job McKenna has done there and I fancy them today. I think Liverpool will be too strong at home for Brighton. Spurs Villa should be a home win. No idea for our match. Hopefully still riding high on the new manager bounce which could see us do enough.
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The Overlap did a good tactical breakdown showing what we can expect
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I definitely think Bruno can play in one of those two behind the striker Alfie. I’m not convinced Garnacho can though as they don’t seem to play wide at all where the width instead comes from the wing backs. I’m not sure about Garnacho playing inside like that. I think Amad is better suited there
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Yeah potentially Zirkzee in one of those positions then Threeps. Still far from convinced about him but I’ve seen glimpses of him playing some good stuff for the Netherlands so we’ll see. Ugarte and Mainoo seems to be the most popular suggestion as a double pivot anyway so no idea where Mount would play.
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Antony at wing back?! Can’t wait 😆
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Here it was Sean. Ironically, I didn’t have him in mine 😆
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Threeps, his Sporting side had the 4th highest defensive line in Europe supposedly so I’d be surprised to see a low block. I think it’s wing back where we’re weakest. I think we’re ok for CBs and midfielders and even have decent depth in the forward positions. Garnacho I’m not sure where he fits. I think Amad could get more game time as one of the 10s alongside Bruno possibly
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I think he has Sean. I rate him despite some mistakes. No worries at all that you disagree. More than welcome to talk about Utd Sean. Always welcome different opinions. You too, have a good one.
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Sean, you picked Martinez out of EVERY SINGLE DEFENDER in the league to be in your team of the season and have a go at Utd fans for rating him?! De Ligt hasn’t been awful at all. The guy’s started 6 games in the league and you’e suggesting we should be writing him off already. Honestly, if we were all as critical as you seem insistent on us being, you’d be moaning that we’re too pessimistic. Why do you get so invested in what we think about our club and players? I honestly don’t get it. Liverpool fans rate Darwin Nunez which I don’t particularly get but I don’t get why I would care about it like you seem to care so much about my feelings about Utd. You’re welcome to your opinion Sean and it’s always good to hear your opinions. It’s just a genuine question about why it bothers you so much.
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There isn’t any realistic big characters available to fix this. Whilst at Chelsea, Tuchel did not once challenge for the title. He would have been a disaster at United.
Exactly this CM. I’d have reluctantly taken him at Utd looking at the options available at the time but I don’t get this clamour by other fans to push the likes of Tuchel or Conte onto us as though we should depserately want them yet nobody else wants them at their own club. It’s bizarre.
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Fair enough ed, lets see how he gets on.
Yeah not sure what else we can do Sean. I’m not sure what you want me to say? Should I be super negative about everything Utd do in the hope to be proven wrong and then at least be happy to be proven wrong?
Everything you are saying about this guy is what we discussed when eth came in. The club will be to big for him just like it was for eth who started y absolute bollix 12 months sgo. Biggest job in world football and i do agree that utd missed a trick with tuchel. You said tuchel was the beat option so would you have taken him over (if available )amirom who we will y know was always available as he had abuyout clause? Tuchel has managed big clubs and brings big trophies. Amirom
Will be expectrd to bring the league. Will be giving time?I have been very clear that I didn’t want Tuchel. That I then came around to the idea as I conceded he might have been the best of a bad bunch at the time the likes of McKenna and Poch were being discussed was exactly that. I’d have gotten behind him regardless, as always. I’m glad in the end that we didn’t get him. I think he suits the England job better anyway. He’d have fallen out with everyone.
Also y no were near chelseas but eth was hugely backed and so will this guy. Utd are still massive massive spenders . Recruitment has been dreadful again in their summer. I just dont get some of the excuses in trying to defend the club. Liverpool were the same. It went on for decades.
What defending are you talking about? The club have been an absolute shambles for years with awful spending. Find me a Utd fan who disagrees and I’ll give you a prize. You’re writing the summer spending off already? Yoro has played what, 1 game? Ugarte hardly played. De Ligt has been good. Way too early to write off the summer signings after 10 games don’t you think? It feels like you’re having a go at me refusing to write off our signings after 10 games. Why would I?
dont buy this top class backroom staff. Who exactly? Ashworth and wilcox? Did they let eth buy zirzkee who is clearly a number ten not needed? Then as you suggest they signed ugarte but he was not eth plans?
You don’t have to buy it Sean if you don’t want. But considering the structrue we had in place before the summer consisting of John Murtough and the likes, yes the current one is a huge step up. Wilcox has a very good reputation from being at City then Southampton and Ashworth is very highly rated which is why Newcastle were desperate to keep him. Fine if you disagree.
Ineos move quickly? There is absolutely no-one else to choose from only amiron.likr there is nobody and this is some great scoop by ineos cause its done quickly. Theminute eth was sacked this lads name was mentioned .ineos have brought so much negative noise slresdy in their tenure.
What are you talking about now Sean? Are you referring to me saying about how this was announced out of the blue? It was. People were talking about Southgate FFS. Utd had a massive problem with things leaking to the press before but this was announced by Ornstein when it looked like there was no clear favourite. I get why that’s not a big deal if you’re not familiar with how Utd have handled situations like this in the past but it is a big change.
Its like utd fans bigging up mediocre players like martinez etc. ye always room for optimism but get with reality. Its exactly like liverpool. Years of getting so many things wrong on and off the pitch and im just been honest, i dont see anything chabging with utds new structure or manager for another while yet
You had him in your team of the season after his first season Sean! Pep said he was in the top 5 CBs in the world. He’s been average so far this season and rightly been criticised for it. What are we supposed to do? Start getting on his back about it? No worries at all if you don’t see anything changing at Utd. Why would you? I honestly don’t know what you expect Utd fans to do? See all the changes and just start moaning that nothing will change so why bother caring?
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At the end of the day, amiron has won one league and cup in his homeland and is now taking over probably the biggest club in the world
It’s double that Sean 😅. For a side who hasn’t won the league in something like 20 years. It’s a huge step up though and many before him with better CVs have failed so the odds are against him but I’m just hoping for now to enjoy watching us play again.
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I haven’t said it’s one or the other Sean. I said both can be true. It needn’t be wholly one or the other side. I wrote this further up
There seems to only ever be 2 camps. You’re either on the side of blaming all the managers. It’s all their fault. Or you’re on the side of the managers being blameless and the fault lying with the players. Both can be true.
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I think Pep & Klopp both hit the ground running so it quickly gave them authority at the club. Ten Hag didn’t so he struggled to build a mentality in the dressing room.
Klopp hit the ground running?! He finished 8th in the league. Ten Hag finished 3rd and won a cup… 😁
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Re Ugarte, Sean, I assume you meant the fact that I hit back at Mikus who suggested we’d spent £180mil on players for Ten Hag with me saying that we’d actually signed players for the club rather than the manager. That’s a pretty obvious conclusion to come to. There was no recruitment team before the summer. It was John Murtough and Ten Hag. That’s about it. Since then, there’s been a shift to buying players for the club rather than for the manager. I don’t see what’s to question about that. It’s a pretty standard way of working nowadays. You don’t bring in recruitment and talent specialists and then let the manager dictate the budget. He’ll have a say but he won’t make the call. I’m not sure what the point is with this that you’re questioning.
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