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Now this one did surprise me. Surely not…
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea-next-manager-antonio-conte-b2315049.html
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Yeah Alfie, we were very good first half and less so in the second.
Lucky, you’d think that would be the end of Moyes now as you say. Potter to come in, potentially?
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Yeah it’s the old Solskjaer problem if he has a stormer until the end of the season. Not much to lose really though. Would be typical of Chelsea to win the CL this season when they’re struggling in the league 😁
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You’ll be pleased to see this Lucky 🙂. Have to say I’m quite pleased to read it too. I know what you think about De Zerbi having the right circumstances at Brighton to thrive but I do think he’s destined to be a special manager.
🚨 Chelsea not considering Brighton & Hove Albion head coach Roberto de Zerbi for vacancy. #CFC have highest respect for #BHAFC but won’t be coming for another boss from there – 43yo Italian’s profile not what they’re seeking & isn’t on list @TheAthleticFC https://t.co/7E2vlob3ji
— David Ornstein (@David_Ornstein) April 4, 2023
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On Evan Ferguson Sean, what do you reckon to him as a fellow countryman? Too early to say or is he destined for big things? Keep hearing the Republic have a good crop coming through
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Kane would suit us perfectly (sorry Chucky) but his age worries me as we have a few top players now around the 30 mark.
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I reckon you’d be looking at at least £150mil for Osimhen Lucky. Napoli have no need to sell and paid a fair amount to bring him there.
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Only thing I think with Osimhen is I think he’s a great counter attacking striker. I’m not sure he’s a great all rounded number 9 who can bring others into play and drop deeper when required. I think that Hojlund kid is going to be a superstar but I suspect he may go to Bayern albeit we may have a chance as he admitted to being a huge Utd fan.
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Yeah I’d replace De Gea Sean. I wrote a post about him. The first post on page 6 of this thread. He’s a conundrum because he’s so good at shot stopping but he prevents us playing how Ten Hag wants. I think he’ll get phased out eventually but it’s a case of whether the budget allows for replacing everywhere we need, hence he may choose to stick with De Gea for a while longer.
Yeah we need an 8 who can carry the ball and keep things ticking in midfield. A rb to challenge Dalot. Up front, I don’t think we’d pay what they want for Osimhen. Keep hearing a lot of Kane talk but I don’t think that would happen. There’s a few interesting strikers about. Hojlund at Atalanta, Ramos at Benfica. Ferguson at Brighton. None are likely to be cheap though. Unless you’re finding a hidden gem, you’re looking at best part of £100mil for any top striker. That’s a big chunk of the budget.
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Yeah totally agree Sean. We’re not much better off at all vs last season points wise. As you say, we don’t really control games yet either. I said when Ten Hag came in that it wasn’t going to be an overnight thing where we suddenly started playing Dutch style total football. Ten Hag has essentially taken over a side built for counter attacking and is slowly but surely changing the side. Look at those first two games of the season where he thought we could play out from the back and we got torn apart. We don’t have the right profile of players yet to play like that. De Gea has now been instructed to go long more often than not. I do think we’ll get there under Ten Hag but it won’t happen this season. If we don’t get top 4, questions will be asked, particularly because of how many other big sides are faltering but I’ve seen enough this season to believe Ten Hag will get it right eventually.
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Totally agree on the last paragraph Lucky. Good debate, as ever, but I’ve little motivation to continue debating the point now.
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Oh no Nine. That’s awful news to hear. So sorry to read that. Thoughts are with you and your family at this awful time 🙏❤️
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Nine, to continue on the marriage analogy, this is like the serial divorcee declaring “this is the one this time. I’m in ot for the long haul now. I’ll make this work” then proceeding to divorce his wife after a few arguments months later 😁
Lucky,you say all that but you wanted them to give him until the end of the season. Which one is it? They were right to get rid or they pulled the trigger too early? Again, I’m not saying they were wrong to pull the trigger. I’m saying it was foolish to think the whole spiel about this being different now and things changing was ever going to survive a single tough period.
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That FA Cup win for Arsenal was a red herring imo. “Some Arsenal fans didn’t trust the process” is about as big an understatement as you’re likely to see. Arsenal fans were almost unanimously in favour of binning Arteta and rightly so. They were miles worse than Chelsea under Potter at various times under Arteta. Rock bottom of the league after losing their first 3 games in one season, for example. I wouldn’t have had much patience there to be honest. My point is that Boehly came in preaching about this being a new era of long term thinking/planning and has reverted to the Roman model at the first hurdle.
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We wanted to see evidence of progress which arteta gave arsenal for example, we have got worse, not even the slightest progression
You know Arsenal finished 8th twice, right? They finished 5th under Emery the season prior.
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Not at all. He’s been there 7 months. Had no pre season. Had loads of new players to integrate. Was he doing great? No he wasn’t and may well have never made a success of it. Again, though, that is short term thinking right there. My point isn’t whether or not I agree with it. In fact, I often envied Roman’s ruthlessness as my own club dallied over pulling the trigger on managers when it was clear they weren’t up to it.
My point that this so called new strategy of showing patience and long term thinking ala Arsenal was a load of rubbish. Again, absolutely no shame in admitting that and there is no shame in embracing what has been a successful model. Pretending they’re any more patient than under Roman is, frankly, laughable. But the same short termism has worked absolute wonders for then in the past so I say embrace it and don’t try to paint it up as something it’s not.
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If Utd were in the position Chelsea were in now, like you, I would have wanted my club to give him at least until the end of the season. But you’re missing my point. Arsenal fans wanted Arteta out many times. Fans aren’t always right. I’m not even saying sticking with him would have been the right thing to do. I’m suggesting their vision was a load of rubbish as they’ve abandoned it at the first sign of a bump in the road. Fans want instant success. Fans aren’t patient. The point of a long term vision is that it’s about maybe needing to resist that instant desire for success from fans and ride out the inevitable bumps in the road. All Chelsea have shown is that they’re every bit as short term focused as they were under Roman. There’s no shame in that. As I said, it’s very successful, one of the most successful models in recent history even. It’s absolutely fine to admit that and embrace it rather than pretending anything has changed.
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Mistakes can be made mate, it would stupid to persist rather than pretend the mistake was made at all.
It’s only stupid to persist if you know it will result in failure. You don’t. Boehly doesn’t. Nobody does. But, again, that’s exactly the point I’m making. Not being willing to ride it out is displaying the very ruthless, short term thinking Boehly was insistent was a thing of the past. It’s totally fine to admit that vision has been abandoned. Chelsea were hugely successful employing this short term thinking so I think they’d be silly to pretend they’ve moved on from it when they clearly haven’t.
My worry as a Chelsea fan would be that the unprecedented January spending we saw is unlikely going to be repeated this summer. In fact, much the opposite could happen where Chelsea need to balance the books. To then bring in a new manager with an entirely different philosophy without much wiggle room to shape the squad in his vision could be a concern. Particularly if they bring someone like Luis Enrique in who has a very set way of playing which requires a certain profile of player.
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This is exactly the point I’m making
This was supposed to be a brave new world for #CFC.
Yet the Boehly-Clearlake consortium has done something Roman Abramovich never did – sacking two managers in one season.
Despite all the promises of running things differently, Chelsea are back to square one.
— The Athletic | Football (@TheAthleticFC) April 3, 2023
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Whether I’d back him or not is irrelevant Lucky. My point is that Boehly came in with a vision to move the club on from the short term hiring and firing model (which was very successful as I keep stating) but has panicked at the first sign of trouble. Results have been bad for a while but you’re in the QF of the CL and have nothing at all to gain other than a slightly higher league position. You could argue a new manager might give you a bounce and win the CL against the odds but that’s the point. That kind of thinking is exactly what Boehly wanted to move the club away from. I think he deserved until the end of the season.
Fans views aren’t always right. Arsenal fans were #Artetaout for ages. That I wouldn’t have backed Potter is completely irrelevant in the point I’m making.
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