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There isn’t any realistic big characters available to fix this. Whilst at Chelsea, Tuchel did not once challenge for the title. He would have been a disaster at United.

Exactly this CM. I’d have reluctantly taken him at Utd looking at the options available at the time but I don’t get this clamour by other fans to push the likes of Tuchel or Conte onto us as though we should depserately want them yet nobody else wants them at their own club. It’s bizarre.

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Fair enough ed, lets see how he gets on.

Yeah not sure what else we can do Sean. I’m not sure what you want me to say? Should I be super negative about everything Utd do in the hope to be proven wrong and then at least be happy to be proven wrong?

Everything you are saying about this guy is what we discussed when eth came in. The club will be to big for him just like it was for eth who started y absolute bollix 12 months sgo. Biggest job in world football and i do agree that utd missed a trick with tuchel. You said tuchel was the beat option so would you have taken him over (if available )amirom who we will y know was always available as he had abuyout clause? Tuchel has managed big clubs and brings big trophies. Amirom
Will be expectrd to bring the league. Will be giving time?

I have been very clear that I didn’t want Tuchel. That I then came around to the idea as I conceded he might have been the best of a bad bunch at the time the likes of McKenna and Poch were being discussed was exactly that. I’d have gotten behind him regardless, as always. I’m glad in the end that we didn’t get him. I think he suits the England job better anyway. He’d have fallen out with everyone.

Also y no were near chelseas but eth was hugely backed and so will this guy. Utd are still massive massive spenders . Recruitment has been dreadful again in their summer. I just dont get some of the excuses in trying to defend the club. Liverpool were the same. It went on for decades.

What defending are you talking about? The club have been an absolute shambles for years with awful spending. Find me a Utd fan who disagrees and I’ll give you a prize. You’re writing the summer spending off already? Yoro has played what, 1 game? Ugarte hardly played. De Ligt has been good. Way too early to write off the summer signings after 10 games don’t you think? It feels like you’re having a go at me refusing to write off our signings after 10 games. Why would I?

dont buy this top class backroom staff. Who exactly? Ashworth and wilcox? Did they let eth buy zirzkee who is clearly a number ten not needed? Then as you suggest they signed ugarte but he was not eth plans?

You don’t have to buy it Sean if you don’t want. But considering the structrue we had in place before the summer consisting of John Murtough and the likes, yes the current one is a huge step up. Wilcox has a very good reputation from being at City then Southampton and Ashworth is very highly rated which is why Newcastle were desperate to keep him. Fine if you disagree.

Ineos move quickly? There is absolutely no-one else to choose from only amiron.likr there is nobody and this is some great scoop by ineos cause its done quickly. Theminute eth was sacked this lads name was mentioned .ineos have brought so much negative noise slresdy in their tenure.

What are you talking about now Sean? Are you referring to me saying about how this was announced out of the blue? It was. People were talking about Southgate FFS. Utd had a massive problem with things leaking to the press before but this was announced by Ornstein when it looked like there was no clear favourite. I get why that’s not a big deal if you’re not familiar with how Utd have handled situations like this in the past but it is a big change.

Its like utd fans bigging up mediocre players like martinez etc. ye always room for optimism but get with reality. Its exactly like liverpool. Years of getting so many things wrong on and off the pitch and im just been honest, i dont see anything chabging with utds new structure or manager for another while yet

You had him in your team of the season after his first season Sean! Pep said he was in the top 5 CBs in the world. He’s been average so far this season and rightly been criticised for it. What are we supposed to do? Start getting on his back about it? No worries at all if you don’t see anything changing at Utd. Why would you? I honestly don’t know what you expect Utd fans to do? See all the changes and just start moaning that nothing will change so why bother caring?

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At the end of the day, amiron has won one league and cup in his homeland and is now taking over probably the biggest club in the world

It’s double that Sean 😅. For a side who hasn’t won the league in something like 20 years. It’s a huge step up though and many before him with better CVs have failed so the odds are against him but I’m just hoping for now to enjoy watching us play again.

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I haven’t said it’s one or the other Sean. I said both can be true. It needn’t be wholly one or the other side. I wrote this further up

There seems to only ever be 2 camps. You’re either on the side of blaming all the managers. It’s all their fault. Or you’re on the side of the managers being blameless and the fault lying with the players. Both can be true.

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I think Pep & Klopp both hit the ground running so it quickly gave them authority at the club. Ten Hag didn’t so he struggled to build a mentality in the dressing room.

Klopp hit the ground running?! He finished 8th in the league. Ten Hag finished 3rd and won a cup… 😁

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Re Ugarte, Sean, I assume you meant the fact that I hit back at Mikus who suggested we’d spent £180mil on players for Ten Hag with me saying that we’d actually signed players for the club rather than the manager. That’s a pretty obvious conclusion to come to. There was no recruitment team before the summer. It was John Murtough and Ten Hag. That’s about it. Since then, there’s been a shift to buying players for the club rather than for the manager. I don’t see what’s to question about that. It’s a pretty standard way of working nowadays. You don’t bring in recruitment and talent specialists and then let the manager dictate the budget. He’ll have a say but he won’t make the call. I’m not sure what the point is with this that you’re questioning.

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You are defending the spending of 180m and using ugarte as example of him being a club signing and not eth?

didn’t really follow this part Sean. What part do you disagree with? The club have rightly moved to buying players for the club instead of for the manager.

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A lot of questions there Sean. When did I defend the spending of £180mil? Happy to be proven wrong but can’t remember defending that. What is there to defend anyway. Not sure what you mean. Why would I want to defend us spending money?

I did a uturn about Tuchel? In what sense? I didn’t want him but came to the conclusion that he was probably the best of a bad bunch. I stand by that.

The doubters were proved right about Eth? I wanted Eth. Would never deny that. I still think it was the right appointment. That it ultimately ended badly doesn’t mean it was the wrong choice. The alternative was Poch who was also sacked. Who’s to say that would have gone any better? As I wrote above, you have to take a gamble at times like Barca did with a fallen Flick. Who wouldn’t be a gamble? Tell me who you’d have gone for then? I’m not sure what you want me to say?! 😅. Should I be saying this is another terrible choice and it will be awful? I’ll get behind the manager as I do every manager.

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A big club needs a big manager. It really is as simple as that.

It sounds incredibly simple Mikus. Why then did both Chelsea and Bayern sack Tuchel and what makes you think he wouldn’t have done what he’s done everywhere he’s been and fallen out with everyone?

I’m amazed that if it’s a simple as just appointing one of these journeymen, why none of them were wanted by Liverpool fans when Klopp went. You’re a big club too who aren’t afraid to spend money when the need arises.

With the benefit of hindsight, Flick seems like one that got away but it’s worth remembering that his stock had fallen significantly after the Germany debacle. Barca gambled and it paid off but it took a lot of bravery to appoint him after what was a disastrous spell in charge of Germany.

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There seems to only ever be 2 camps. You’re either on the side of blaming all the managers. It’s all their fault. Or you’re on the side of the managers being blameless and the fault lying with the players. Both can be true. I keep hearing how Utd have tried so many managers and how they need to start blaming the players. If the managers aren’t a big part of the problem, why have none of the managers since Ferguson gone on to top jobs? Not one has proved Utd were wrong to get rid of them. We are however starting to see examples of players maybe showing that they weren’t the problem at Utd. McTominay springs to mind. The young LB at Benfica another. Sancho potentially another.

The club isn’t the mess it’s made out to be. Arsenal were in an absolute state before Arteta came in. Barcelona before Flick. A good manager who the players believe in has a huge impact on player morale and performance. The academy are flying. Eased to a U18 PL win last season and currently on a 100% record so far hammering everyone in the age group. We’re finally making top class appointments around the manager. That’s not to say they won’t get things wrong. They may be wrong on Amorim but the only thing they can do is give him the best possible chance to succeed.

I’m yet to hear a good alternative to him who was available. Everyone is an expert on the problem but nobody is able to offer an idea of a solution.

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Steady on with the Ange love in 😅. He was 2-0 against Brighton remember…

Utd hammering Leicester here. Possible we get a double new manager bounce soon then. Finally can enjoy watching us again.

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Mikus, most of that £180mil was only possible because we recouped the majority of it through player sales. There’s a very real risk of us running close of breaching the PSR rules so gone are the days of big spending at Utd and we’ll never be able to match the likes seen at Chelsea recently.

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I just think you need a big name to manage a club with that spending ability and the expectations that brings. Chelsea have tried a raft of managers to develop young players from Lampard to Potter to Pochettino. And look how that’s gone. Look how Moyes, Solksjaer & Ten Hag went. A big name like Tuchel was the last Chelsea manager to win a European trophy, a much bigger achievement than a domestic cup. Just like Mourinho was the last Man Utd manager to win a European trophy. Yes its rumoured City were looking at Amorim, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they would have appointed him. And if he would have been it may have been more like a transitional appointment.

Yet here are Chelsea, the biggest spenders in history, doing well with a manager who did nothing more than a decent job in the Championship. Tuchel may have done a decent job but is known for falling out with absolutely everyone at every club he’s been at. Ask any Chelsea fan if they’d have Tuchel back now over Maresca. Was Tuchel the only one or who else are you suggesting we should have got Mikus? The names don’t exactly roll off the tongue. Utd don’t have millions and millions to fix this any longer like we’ve had in the past. Utd are cost cutting in every single aspect of the club so there will (as ever at Utd) need to be a big focus on bringing through young players. The wage bill is rapidly declining and now only the 4th highest in the league. https://www.90min.com/posts/the-clubs-biggest-wage-bills-in-europe-ranked

I’m not suggesting City would have hired him. We’ll never know. But they get little wrong these days and the reports that they were lining him up at least suggests they saw something in him that he could make that step up. As yet, I trust their decision making over my own club’s. Berrada would have had inside knowledge of City’s succession planning.

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Personally, I’m just gutted it wasn’t Southgate!

Who knows if Amorim will be a success. Aside from Pep, there really are no guarantees of success in the game these days. The fact City were reportedly lining up Amorim as the man to replace Pep does somewhat fill me with confidence but let’s see.

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I’ve no issue at all with them not removing him this summer. As I wrote earlier, he was set up to fail with being given all that control of transfers. Having won the FA Cup and now having the structure he deserved from day one, he deserved the chance to see if he could excel in a role more focused on being a head coach rather than an all controlling old fashioned style of manager. That it ended this soon into this “new chance” is nobody’s fault but his own. He left them no choice.

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Ten Hag had power to make his own transfers and that didnt work too well! Don’t think I can ever remember a manager who made so many transfer cock-ups.

You’re not wrong Threeps. In hindsight, Ten Hag was set up to fail because he was brought in as a head coach with no top recruitment team around him and no elite director of football. Essentially no football knowledge at all at board level. Yet he was given the keys to the transfer budget. Modern day managers aren’t cut out for that. Even Klopp didn’t want Salah at Liverpool. Without the structure around him at Liverpool, who knows what he would have achieved. Same goes for Pep. These managers don’t manage their budgets like Ten Hag has done. It was set up for failure from day 1.

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One big positive change I’m seeing since Ineos came in is how under the radar these big moves are. Omar Berrada the new CEO, out of nowhere. Leny Yoro, supposedly on his way to Madrid, agrees to come to us out of nowhere. Now, out of nowhere Amorim is in talks. This is why I never for a minute believed the Southgate odds. The media were getting absolutely nothing from the club until it’s too late.

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Bonkers that they’ve just spent £180 million on players over summer to work under Ten Hag.

I think they’ve done exactly the opposite of that Mikus, hence Ten Hag’s reluctance to play Ugarte. The whole point of this summer was about moving from buying players for the manager to buying players for the club. Interestingly, Ugarte played very well for Amorim, for instance, at Sporting.

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Working on Amorim deal according to Ornstein

https://x.com/david_ornstein/status/1850965637650391404?s=46

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Southgate to Utd would be us doing the full Liverpool journey mirroring the disastrous Hodgson appointment 😁

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