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999 would have had some wise words to say on this thread. Something about how all managers are under pressure if they don’t win at the top clubs. Miss the guy. He did always blame Chelsea’s problems on Chilwell and James’ injuries though 😅

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Fair enough Sean. Who by? Me probably 😄

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Agree on the last part Sean. As usual, everyone has written Ten Hag and Onana and even Utd off already. No denying we’ve been crap but let’s wait and see. Dare I say Arteta had Arsenal in all kinds of problems a couple of years back losing their first 3 games. The media and even Arsenal fans went overboard as we all always do. I won’t be calling for his head anyway, certainly not yet anyway.

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Liverpool had to play Quansah at wolves. One pl appearance.

Maybe it’s just me Sean but that’s still on Klopp, for me. Especially as he’s been there years (Klopp). Totally his fault if he’s having to resort to playing such an inexperienced player. If the backup players aren’t good enough to still get a win at Wolves and Virgil’s injury is the reason for that loss, then it’s on him. I’m not trying to state that as fact. That’s just my opinion.

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My personal opinion on injuries, especially if a manager has been at a club a long time and got all his own players, is that it’s up to the manager to build a squad to cope with all bit the worst injury crises. If it’s a huge issue when the defensive midfielder gets injured, that’s on the manager. Utd badly miss a fit Lisandro Martinez, especially when Shaw is also injured, who is his only suitable deputy. Again, that’s on Ten Hag though. We shouldn’t be that reliant on a player. Maybe he shouldn’t have bought Anthony then if Lisandro was so key to his style. That’s my take anyway. The longer a manager’s been in the job, the more it’s on him if injuries become such a problem that they are the reason for a huge dip in performances.

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Well exactly Sean, I literally said we should have more than enough to easily beat them anyway 😄. Most Utd fans I have seen talking have been saying the same thing. Injuries are clearly affecting us but they 100% shouldn’t be. All the top sides should be able to deal with all injuries imo even if it means dipping into the academy as they all have top academies. Any Utd fans using the injuries as an excuse need to be called out. It’s embarrassing when you look at the sides we’re losing to.

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I was a massive fan of bringing Ten Hag in but on the condition that we had a proper DOF coming in and a proper structure in place. Ten Hag shouldn’t be picking all his players as he’s seemingly doing. It means we have to reset again if he goes. It certainly looks like he’s just got free reign on transfers. That’s crazy. Even Klopp and Pep don’t have that. Didn’t Klopp get overruled after declining Salah? Wanted some German forward instead but was overruled? That should tell you everything you need to know about leaving managers in charge of transfers as it appears Ten Hag is. Utd are so far behind the rest in terms of a staffing structure above the manager. Does that absolve Ten Hag of blame? Absolutely not. He’s got a lot wrong but the structure isn’t set up for success.

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What did he do at Ajax Ed that was so special?got to a cl semi final that they should have won? Frank de boer played the same kind of football and was found out in England. He won for 4 Dutch titles. Produced some good players but I thought there was always a huge over reaction. Great wins in the cl campaign

I did mention when he came in that there’s every risk he does a De Boer. Comparing their records at Ajax is just not a good comparison though. I know a few Ajax fans and they were worlds apart in terms of how highly their fans rated them both. Guardiola brought Ten Hag into Bayern because of the football his teams played. Ajax were brilliant to watch in the CL. Introduced young players, played exciting, attacking football.

– He lost a single away game (out of 16) in the CL with Ajax despite playing Real Madrid, Liverpool, Juventus.
– won every single CL group game the season after they got to the CL semi. One of only 10 sides to ever do it
– Won the league with an Ajax side who hadn’t won it for 3 years

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No worries at all if you didn’t rate him but everything pointed to it being a risk worth taking considering the available options.

As for the injuries excuse comment, who has been using injuries as an excuse? I always find it embarrassing to note injuries as an excuse for the top sides. They all should have more than enough to cover most injuries and cases of multiple injuries at the same time should always result in questions being asked of the physios and training staff. Utd are 3 LBs down and playing a midfielder at LB but that’s not an excuse. They should have more than enough to deal with even that against the likes of Palace. Anyone using that as an excuse deserves calling out, especially when you consider the amount of money a side like Palace or Brighton have to spend in comparison.

It’s a sorry state of affairs but I don’t for a minute think it was the wrong decision to bring him in. Really easy to say otherwise with the benefit of hindsight.

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“Was never a massive fan of Ten Hag”

What did you mean by that Sean? I always loved how he had Ajax playing. What was there not to like?

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I still maintain Ten Hag was a sensible appointment. Every manager before him was wrong for different reasons. I don’t buy into this notion that any manager would fail at Utd. That it might not work out doesn’t mean it was the wrong appointment. Things happen at clubs which swing the momentum one way or the other and a few turns in the wrong direction can be hard to recover from. Ten Hag is as ruthless as they come but I now suspect he may have alienated the squad for what he’s done with Sancho. My worry here is that the squad will end up winning, we’ll bring a nice guy in again and the players will again rule the dressing room.

Zidane would be an awful appointment. I’m delighted we didn’t get Poch. He’s great when there’s no expectations but has always failed when expectations rise. He’s a bit too soft as well I feel. If Ten Hag was to go, which now almost looks inevitable, sadly, it has to be De Zerbi for me.

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Would that be the same Son who won the Golden Boot a couple of seasons back?

Well if he doesn’t do it every season, he’s not top drawer 😄.

I always thought Bale was over-hyped but it didn’t stop the Spurs fans getting over excited every time he got the ball did it? 😉

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It really is quite odd. There was a season or so before last season where I, and many others, questioned whether he was having a similar decline to Dele Alli where he just seemed to lose confidence and form. It then became apparent he was playing through quite a lot of pain before finally having shoulder surgery. Then last season, he just seemed to find the same kind of form and confidence he had when he first broke through, running at players with no fear and scoring from everywhere on the pitch.

At his best, he’s amongst the most dangerous attacking players in Europe. At his worst, he’s completely anonymous. So I don’t think he’s overhyped per se. He just seems to be one of these players who is entirely dependent on form and being in the right frame of mind. The very top players maintain those high standards and Rashford is now at an age where it’s now or never if he’s to show he can do it over a sustained period and not suffer these huge dips in form. He’s also not the greatest at pressing from the front which puts a lot of onus on the rest of the attacking line to do that. It really is time he was dropped and Ten Hag needs to give him a kick up the ass to show him he needs to earn his place again.

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Again, no idea what to make of us. Thought we turned a corner a little in the week but back to the same rubbish yesterday. I think injuries in the back 4 are really hurting us but we should have more than enough to easily be beating the likes of Palace.

Spurs getting yet another big favouable VAR call after the the strange handball call against us which wasn’t given as a pen.

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Pep rather than gracious confronts the Referee like Alex Ferguson. No Difference in any of the Manchester Clubs – Classless!!!!!

Don’t forget Klopp, Nil 😁 He’s one of the worst around for disrespecting referees. Gives every excuse under the sun when Liverpool lose, too. Successful managers are rarely good losers. You can read some of his classics below. “It was too windy” 😅

https://www.football365.com/news/feature-12-jurgen-klopp-excuses-liverpool-fing-up

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I can’t see a top side going for Flick after his Germany spell. Could be worth a gamble for one of the mid level PL clubs. He did a great job at Bayern.

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I’m just glad Chelsea exist at the moment because, in comparison, they somehow manage to make my club look like a well managed club. I keep saying it but it’s hard to see where all that money has gone when you look through that Chelsea side.

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Fortunately, I was away over the weekend so missed that rubbish on Saturday. Still, putting aside our struggles, you can’t help but admire Brighton and De Zerbi. What he’s doing with that team despite losing his best players again is just incredible. He’s going to be the top target as soon as any big job comes up. Wouldn’t surprise me if Bayern try to get him with them seemingly not convinced by Tuchel. If Ten Hag or Poch continue to struggle, De Zerbi will 100% be the top target.

I’m with Sean re Ange. Let’s see what they’re doing in a year’s time. Very much still in the honeymoon period with the new manager bounce. Not long ago on this very site, Conte was supposedly taking over the world with Spurs 😁. Even Lampard was exciting Chelsea fans at one point and we all know how that finished.

Really not sure what to say about our lot. Whilst I wasn’t expecting a title challenge (far from it), the start has very much surprised me. The injury/absence list is unfortunate but that’s no excuse for our performances. Brighton were missing players and tore us apart. Our intensity is non existent and I can’t put my finger on what’s gone wrong from last season. Another reason why the whole Ange hysteria is best to not overhype so soon. Things change so quickly in football.

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Tough one and I think it depends what criteria you’re using. Age? Already established or only prospects? If it’s just that they’re under a certain age, say 24, then it’s obviously Haaland. Nobody comes close.

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“Like a young Glenn Hoddle” 😂

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I wish we didn’t have to rely on Hojlund so soon Alfie but there’s no other choice. Rashford can’t really play there and Martial is just not someone who can be relied upon.

Onana will make mistakes Sean, but I think there are more pros than cons. He’ll get caught off his line and get caught trying to dribble past attackers and the vultures will be after him. From what I’ve seen though, he’s an incredibly confident guy who will not be phased by it when it happens. We simply had to move on from De Gea.

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