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Ah I didn’t realise Phil Neville had said it Bluemoon. That’s me told 😄

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Ok I admit it Bluemoon. We won everything because of Howard Webb 😄. Your lot have literally got some PL refs on the owner’s payroll so probably not the best debate to get into…

https://theathletic.com/4922732/2023/10/03/referees-var-diaz-liverpool/

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Bluemoon, “City have no luck”. You have to be on the wind up with that! Crazy decision but City have been getting decisions all season. To name a few,the 2 pens against Utd and Chelsea were never pens. Kovacic should have had a red against Arsenal. That’s a red for any other team. City again near the top for penalties awarded after again having the most last season.

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Can’t disagree with those points Alfie and Sean. An absolute shambles. No desire whatsoever. Can guarantee they’d run their socks off at the weekend if we had a new manager come in this week. They just do it when it suits them. Rashford is a complete mystery to me. This season and one before last he was awful yet last season he looked a world beater.

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Can’t disagree Threeps. I actually missed the first goal. Hate these early kickoffs but yeah you’re right. I still think he’ll come good, Onana. Utd seems to bea place where a keeper’s career is made or broken. De Gea came through it, as Sean said. Difficult to say if Onana will or not.

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I feel for Onana. Another awful mistake from him which has potentially cost us not only the match but qualification to the next round too. His confidence seemed to have been recovering before last night.

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Terrible decision with the pen

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Yeah I get that Alfie and Sean. My feelings are not whether or not it has an effect. Obviously it does. My feelings (and it’s just a personal opinion) are that a manager is responsible for managing a squad. If a team can’t play a certain way because of a few injuries, then that manager is wholly responsible. When I see people making excuses for managers because they’ve got injuries when they’re facing teams with a fraction of the budget of the big teams, it just bugs me.

Now, granted, a manager who is not long in the job and hasn’t built his own team can’t be held fully responsible for ensuring the players deputising for injured players are to his liking/style. But I feel it’s a manager’s job to make sure no player is that critical to a team’s style that the side fall apart without them. That happened with Liverpool and their injuries in the defence and it’s happening now with Ten Hag. It happened with Chelsea and their fullbacks who were/are always injured (James & Chilwell).

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You already know my feelings on injuries Sean 😄. I can cut Ten Hag a bit of slack because he’s not been at the club for very long but I just really dislike the injuries excuse. Utd shouldn’t be putting in the performances we have been doing, injuries or not. I get that Martinez is crucial to the build up but it’s entirely on him that the style falls apart without him. Anyway, enough about Utd from me.

Villa the big surprise for me so far. Emery doing a great job. Brighton looked good again. Top 4 so hard to call this season. City, Arsenal and Liverpool look dead certs to me but that last spot could really go to any of Newcastle, Spurs, Villa, Utd, Brighton. Even Chelsea if they get their act together.

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Yeah Sean, Utd exactly the same. Seen loads of Utd fans wanting Ten Hag out. Would never claim otherwise. Kloppout was trending a lot on social media during that poor spell though. Utd exactly the same. I’m not claiming Liverpool are unique in this respect at all. All fans are the same.

Agree about Wolves and said at the time, Utd got lucky there. Not for a minute saying we should have won those games I mentioned. Just saying it’s been a catalogue of close margins all season, both for and against.

Honestly can’t remember the last time Utd beat a top 8 side away from home. Not great at all and Ten Hag will need to change that or he’ll be gone and rightly so.

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You’ve mentioned that a few times but I never saw it. OK maybe one or two idiots on TT but there’s one who screams for Klopp and/or the “Yankees” to go after any game we’ve dropped points.

Yeah it definitely wasn’t the majority Threeps but with the amount of fans the likes of Liverpool have, you’re always going to get a wide range of opinions. It’s always nigh on impossible to gauge fans opinions amongst such a big fan base but as someone who reads a lot of forums and social media, I saw a lot who were wanting him gone. As usual, it tends to be the noisy minority and fans of a newer generation but Liverpool are no different to any other club in that there will always be a section of fans who crave instant success and failure to provide that results in a lot of moaning.

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Very surprised at how little criticism Poch and Chelsea are getting after another defeat with all the money they’ve spent since Boehly came in.

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Oh there’s zero risk of anyone getting carried away by this form thing. It’s more just an interesting observation than anything else, that a team who are playing as bad as we’ve been playing have the most points in the league over the last 5 games. A mere 2 points behind a Spurs side people were tipping for a title challenge and praising the manager for such a good start.

As you both say, we’ve not really beaten anyone of note. Things haven’t really gone our way in some of those big games. Had a stonewall pen turned down away at Spurs and Bruno misses a sitter. On another day we go in leading at half time then who knows. Similarly, at Arsenal, the finest of margins sees Garnacho’s late winner chalked off. City get the dodgiest of pens at OT. I’m not saying we go on to win all or any of those but on another day, the luck goes the other way. All I’m bothered about for now is that we’re picking up the points while we’re at this low point. I keep going back to Liverpool having that really awful spell (6 home defeats in a row) when Van Dijk got injured and how they stuck by Klopp despite lots of fans wanting him gone. I really think we have to do the same and give Ten Hag chance to turn it around.

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Gjblues,

Man Utd are the form team in the Premier League right now 💪📊 pic.twitter.com/6d7CQo7SpY

— LiveScore (@livescore) November 23, 2023

Another hard one to get your head around

André Onana is tied for most Premier League clean sheets this season (5) 🧤 pic.twitter.com/7iVHfOKwJC

— B/R Football (@brfootball) November 26, 2023

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The fact Utd haven’t even got going and wen’re 2 behind Spurs and 4 & 5 behind Liverpool and City is insane. I’d take that all day long.

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Btw, did I hear the presenter on SS1 say United were the form team? Did anyone else hear it? If so, on what is it based?

Erm, form… 😄. It’s literally that simple. Before the game, Utd have the most points in the last 5 games. Agree with everything about Utd being poor at the moment. Really not sure what’s going on with us this season but we’re picking up the points and that’s all you can ask for when you’re not playing well.

Garnacho, just unreal. Mainoo will be a star. For all the money spent, Utd’s academy again proving to be one of the very best with those 2 stars in the most recent FA youth cup win.

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Didn’t realise Liverpool had such a poor record at the Etihad. Can’t see City dropping any points to be honest here. Never know what to think with us. Picking up points in the league ut unconvincingly. Just glad it’s back!

Liverpool have not won at Man City in the Premier League in over eight years 😮

And @robbiesavage8 is backing Man City to come out on top again – and continue their "unstoppable" run to the title 🏆https://t.co/Jae0dLAVU6 pic.twitter.com/g9lctsO0wp

— Mirror Football (@MirrorFootball) November 24, 2023

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The worrying trend here is that there is now enough of these types of clubs to block most of these initiatives in future also. There’s nowhere near enough to force change in their favour but they can at least block moves to limit their power.

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I always feel like Foden is still spoken about like he’s still 18. He’s got bags of talent but I feel with both club and country, I’m always waiting for him to really nail down a place but he doesn’t seem to do so. Looking from the outside, it appears to me that neither Pep or Southgate seem to fully trust him in the biggest games. As you say Threeps, compared to Bellingham, he’s not even close for me. Very talented player nonetheless.

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I could generate some kind of interest if there was anything left to play for but with England now already through, it just feels so pointless. The players must feel the same

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