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Apologies everyone but I’ve just had to block Mak for now. I just don’t have time to be policing the forum and it’s got a bit out of hand this evening despite my pleas.

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Come on people, sort it out please.

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City also got the softest of pens at both Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge this season which were both extremely odd that they weren’t overruled. It’s definitely City’s season for calls going in their favour this season. I don’t believe in any kind of conspiracy either but they’re certainly riding their luck in the big games. Our lot are getting no luck at all, sadly. Doesn’t help that we’re also crap but that’s beside the point.

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I hate giving Arsenal credit and I’ve bashed Arteta on multiple occasions but you have to take your hat off and admit they’re building something very good there. The only remaining question mark is if they have the all important bottle required to last the distance in a title race.

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As always, you make very good and fair arguments Mikus. I just can’t get behind Tuchel I’m afraid.

Whilst your points about Mourinho and Van Gaal are valid, I also think they reinforce the problem. Both came in for a couple of years, did a decent job and then started to really go downhill. Then it was back to the drawing board, rip up the plan and start again. We need to stop looking for these 2yr recovery plans and build something longer term. That doesn’t mean a long term manager. Just a long term plan where the head coach is identified to fit with that plan but is also expendable because the plan is more than just the manager at that particular time.

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Mikus, unsurprisingly Tuchel rarely makes any Liverpool fan’s list of next manager choice. I’d be very surprised if you wanted him at your club so I’m not sure why we should either 😁. He’s going to become known as the man who lost the league in a one team league. They’ve won the league like 11 years in a row so he gets given arguably the best striker of a generation and is faltering. No thanks!

Instead all you Utd fans seem to want to keep throwing in completely unproven managers into one of the biggest jobs in football and play this long term developing youngsters pipe dream game. If you want to keep doing that and stay in the doldrums that’s fine by me 🙂

That’s just not accurate. We’ve tried “proven” managers in Mourinho, Van Gaal and the like. You make it sound like we keep plucking unknowns out of European football and throwing them in telling them to develop the kids. I don’t think any Utd fan is interested in a “developing youngsters pipe dream”. Utd fans, like all fans, want a manager who can play good football and win games. Tuchel ticks none of those boxes at present and should be nowhere near the list of potential replacements imo.

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One thing Ten Hag isn’t Nil is soft. If anything he’s potentially too much of a disciplinarian for the modern player. I’m not sure how anyone can come to the conclusion that he’s soft with the amount of players he’s fallen out with. He’s as tough as they come. I think, like Alfie, the players bought into him in the first season but have failed to respond to him this season.

Poch is honestly the last manager I’d want at my club. Chelsea fans can’t wait to get rid of him. He, if anyone is too soft, imo.

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Ancelotti has done a good job at Madrid, no doubt about it. But he’s not a club builder I’m my opinion. He’s the type of manager who can take a great squad of players and get them enjoying their football and when you have the best group of players, that’s often enough to win most games. The problem is Utd don’t really have that outstanding group of players which he’s always had during any spells of success he’s had. Be it at Milan, Chelsea or Madrid, he’s had such a brilliant group of players. Just look at his less than impressive spells at Napoli and Everton for instance. He’s just not a builder of teams.

Despite Ten Hag’s struggles, I’m genuinely as optimistic as I’ve been in a long time about the club. The moves Ineos are making behind the scenes are what Utd fans have been crying out for for years. They’re going out and bringing in best in class appointments and insisting what Utd do on the pitch is central to everything else. Whoever the next man is, he’ll come into an entirely different job than Ten Hag did. He might succeed and he might fail, but he’ll be given the best possible chance to succeed and it’s a long time we’ve been able to say that at Utd. Success won’t come overnight but I think we’re finally making the right moves to ensure we can be competitive in the years to come.

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Really poor from Utd but not sure anyone expected much else as we’ve been poor for most of the season and they’ve been very good. Was certainly no surprise to me anyway. Ten Hag just hanging on now until the inevitable happens. Ineos will want their own man in so just a matter of time now I feel.

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I agree CM. He was easily the better choice out of him and Poch. I just think the transition and the building job from the Ole team to the kind of team he needed was too big and Utd lacked the structure to make that happen. Poch would have been an even worse choice imo. At least Ten Hag has a record of winning things. I’m still convinced Ten Hag can make a good career somewhere in the right structure.

Potter would be a terrible choice too. We need to be looking at Amorim, De Zerbi, Inzaghi or someone like that. If we go for any of Tuchel, Potter, Ange, I’d be very disappointed.

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Tuchel should be nowhere near the job imo. Bringing someone in on the back of 3 consecutive sackings is not the way forward imo.

I like Ten Hag but he’s made far too many mistakes in recent weeks. Transfers are one thing. I’d happily cut him some slack there as a head coach in the modern game shouldn’t be the main decision maker when it comes to transfers. Saying Utd played well today was really poor from him. He’s not sorted out the midfield gaps.

I’m all for giving managers timebut CM is spot on. You only do that when you’re seeing progress. When it’s obvious things aren’t getting any better, you simply have to act. Ineos have made it clear that on the pitch performance is central to everything else the club does so they will not tolerate these poor performances for long I’d imagine.

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Sourness, the whiney old dinosaur 😁, will be revelling in it.

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He looked like a superstar at Juventus and in flashes at Utd but, as you’ve both said, such a waste of a massive talent. He seems convinced of his innocence and his ability to disprove this ban, which I guess is the only thing he can say if he’s any hope of resurrecting his career.

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We’re just awful at the moment. Scraping results and getting bypassed in midfield so easily. I just hope it’s a good game Sean, unlike the last one at your place where we were poor albeit got the point.

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Sean, I think it’s because of the difference in how much each player interfered with the player who eventually scored. On a screenshot, they look very similar incidents but the replays are notably different. The hands around the neck was a joke. No idea how it went even mentioned in the comms.

It’s not the same situation at all. Casemiro was marked by 2 players, neither of which Varane touched. Whereas Endo took out 1 of the 2 guys marking VVD so he interfered pic.twitter.com/4oDmM3jlWM

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Congrats to the Liverpool fans on here. Didn’t get to see the game, sadly. Enjoy!

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They have played some decent stuff at times Threeps, I agree. The hype in the media though has been crazy and I don’t understand why.

I still think Utd look a bit too inconsistent to get 4th but we’ll see.

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To avoid any knicker twisting, the above is not a dig at the Spurs fans but the media hype about their start.

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Hang on Threeps, what? I was convinced Spurs won the league when they beat us 2-2 at Old Trafford a few weeks back. They even had more passes than us! The Spurs hype this season has been ridiculous, frankly. Spurs the title challengers are 2 points ahead of where they were at this point last season when Conte was tearing them to pieces for underachieving.

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I’m with you Mikus. We have been awful at times. We seem to play much better when Martinez is in the team as, without him, we completely lack the ability to progress the ball through defence and the whole defensive line has to drop in and we go long instead. That’s just not good enough IMO from Ten Hag. He’s had enough time and money to ensure that reliance on Martinez shouldn’t be an issue. I don’t fancy us one bit for top 4. It would take an almighty collapse from Spurs for that to happen and they seem to be plugging away at the moment, getting the results they need.

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