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Yeah fair points Sean. Re City, I just mean they’re below where most probably expected they would be at this point.

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No that’s a fair point Threeps. Liverpool are proving this season that you don’t have to do well against the big 6 to compete. I think it’s always been (maybe mistakenly so) a bit of a gauge of a top team that you need to have a good record against them to compete, but evidently that’s not the case.

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I was just looking at the predictions thread Sean and quite a few had Liverpool top 3 and you questioned why people were writing Utd off because they were tipping Liverpool to do better. I think it was very clear to me that Liverpool underperformed last season because their midfield was so poor. They were always going to be better this season imo. I’m not surprised in the slightest they’re top 3 anyway. City usually would be further ahead then they are now so they’re keeping Liverpool in the race by underperforming too imo.

As you say, all about opinions. Could still be a great finish for your lot and Klopp.

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I hope he hasn’t seen the score Steve and ends up watching the whole thing 😆

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I’m not sure they’re over achieving for me Sean. They were 3rd favourites for the league at the start of the season. I had them down in the top 3. They’re exactly where I thought they’d be. When I’ve seen them this season, I just haven’t been overly impressed by them like I have Arsenal and at times City. They’re miles behind them 2 imo. Comfortably 3rd best but I think, like Utd last season, they’re benefitting from a lot of the usual bunch underperforming (Chelsea, Utd etc). Atalanta completely did Liverpool over and they’re a pretty average Serie A side this season. I thought Chelsea were the better sides for large parts of the League cup final too and they’re terrible under Poch. But just my opinion. To have 2 league draws and a cup exit against Utd on Klopp’s record this season is very poor.

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That’s it Sean. Everyone has been outplaying us this season and you couldn’t put us away. This is why I thought the quadruple talk was silly. I don’t think this Liverpool side is that good if I’m honest. You look at Liverpool’s record against the other big 6 and it’s terrible. You can’t win a league just winning the easy games. It catches up on you eventually. Even the League Cup was only just won against an awful Chelsea side. I think this Liverpool side is massively overrated due to the poor level of the teams just below them.

Ange getting another humbling here.

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I’m torn on it Chucky. I can completely sympathise with both sides of the argument. I’d lean on favouring the application of common sense in not awarding the pen. Arsenal gained zero advantage from it.

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There should almost be a separate award for breakthrough player of the year for under 20s or something

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Mainoo has had an incredible rise for both club and country and appears to be what both have been in need of. Now is when the real test begins because the expectation will rise now and people expect him to perform miracles despite still only being 18yrs old. I don’t think yesterday was one of his better games, despite the goal. Has to be a contender for young player of the year, albeit it’s always hard to judge that award when players like Haaland and Saka are still eligible.

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The thought of needing to beat Arsenal with nothing for us to gain but the prize of Liverpool winning the league leaves me feeling sick 😄

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Oh I’d have definitely taken it if it was the other way Sean, no doubt about it. Had it been overturned and we went on to take all 3, it would have been massively undeserved anyway.

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I’m not quite as convinced as Alfie/Sean are that it wasn’t a pen. I’d lean on it not being a pen but I’m not convinced that it’s a strong enough case to overturn it, which we know requires VAR to deem it a clear and obvious error. Taylor is known for never giving us anything though so I’m not for a second surprised we didn’t get the decision.

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I’m not sure what Ed and Alfie are seeing to be honest

You forgot to add Sean too here Threeps 😁

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Villa are not the side they looked a few weeks back Threeps. They’re very beatable now. Arsenal and City the stronger sides imo but it’s so tight now that anything could happen.

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No worries Threeps. We agree to disagree. I’m sure I’d be saying the same if it went that way for us.

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I wouldn’t go as far as saying it was a dive but he’s definitely gone in looking for that contact as the initial contact with WBs foot never happens.

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Yeah noticed it got removed Threeps. Here’s another one

That’s so unfair

Never a penalty

Baffling it wasn’t even checked by VAR

Corruption pic.twitter.com/ODQqKaq6gW

— Utdmad (@mady_________) April 7, 2024

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Yeah no worries Sean. From our point of view, it’s just another decision that’s gone against us. It doesn’t help that we’re also crap but that doesn’t excuse the fact that we’re just getting no good fortune at all at the moment. 3 soft penalties against us in the space of a few days is just crazy. So many bad calls against us in the big games this season too. Denied a stonewall pen for handball against Spurs, denied a penalty on Hojlund at Arsenal, City get a ridiculous penalty against us, Chelsea get 2 of the softest pens you’ll see and now this.

I know you’re extremely pessimistic by nature Sean but you’re massively still in this race and probably have one of the best run ins. I personally think the other two are level slightly above Liverpool this season but anything can happen between now and the end of the season. Arsenal are prone to bottling run ins and City seem capable of dropping silly points.

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Its over now once out of our hands.

Ffs Sean, you’re level top with 8 games to go. Far from over 😁

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What did you think of the pen Sean based on the vid I posted? I was certain it was a pen but that video had me doubting it. Looks very soft to me from that angle.

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