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Watching Sanchez play, it just looks like he is trying too hard. He is a intelligent player, but seems to want to do everything. I agree about his position, thats where most United fans expected him to play when he arrived.

I have to disagree about Martial. Martial did well last season, but he was still inconsistent. He had a extremely poor December from what I remember. His work rate is not up to scratch too and when he loses the ball does not attempt to get it back, something which will frustrate any manager not just Jose. He has the potential to be great, but has Anelka’s attitude. That is who he reminds me of. Deschamp ridiculed him a few years ago for not trying in training and he dropped him for a while after. He comes across as someone who has brilliant potential, but poor attitude. Most United fans I know call him le sulk v2.

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One of the problems with Mata at United is that he has been shoved and played in position he has never played in before after he arrived. Mata at Chelsea was more of a number 10 or played on the left side who enjoyed cutting in. Jose sold him because he did not like his work rate off the ball. United came calling and everyone thought he would play the number 10 role, yet every manager has played him out on the right. He is not suited to that role.

Some are saying that Jose is poor with attacking players when that is not true. Hazard scored 19 goals under Jose, that is the most he has ever done and Costa and Willian did well under him. Real Madrid had a record breaking season in 2012 under Jose, where they broke the points total in 1 season and scored 121 goals. Diego Milito, Sniejder had their best ever seasons under Jose when he was at Inter. Look at how he improved the likes of Drogba, Lampard, Robben ans Duff.

Lukaku scored 27 goals last season, that is his best so far. Lingard has improved under Jose. Yes there have been some poor performances too by some.

When people ask if roles were reversed and Pep took over United and Jose took over City, would there be anything different. With the exception of style of play, I would still say Jose would have probably won the league with that City side and Pep would still be developing this United side. I believe people are underestimating the dross Van Gaal bought and the work needed to be done at United. There is no chance Pep would have been given £280m to spend in one season at United. The most United have spent in 1 season post Ferguson has been £149m. Pep spent £130m than Jose last season. Like I said that is not peanuts, that is good as a good summer transfer window at United.

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I am not denying Pep has spent well, but some signings have been made to look good because of the quality he already had there. Replace De Bruyne with Herrera, replace Fernandinho with Carrick, replace Aguero with Rooney, replace Silva with Mata, would him and his signings have the same effect? These are the players both managers walked in on.

Jose has done well with the reources he has had, this side needs a little tweaking. Difference is Pep was allowed to tweak his side and make it better. Jose has had a similar chance, but no where to the same level as Pep.

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United on the right side should have gone for Draxler, pacey winger who can play anywhere up top. He is better than any player they have got at right wing, is a natural there and would have cost between 40-50m in todays market. Paid whatever Spurs wanted for Toby. Would have instantly walked in to the side too. For the right back position, gone for someone like Sidibe. Would have cost about £40-50m too.

De Gea, Sidibe, Bailly, Toby, Shaw, Matic, Pogba, Fred, Sanchez, Draxler, Lukaku all of sudden looks a lot better than the current crop with Valencia, Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Lindelof and a few others. You also remove almost every dross Van Gaal bought and that is the difference a extra £150m makes in terms of quality of a side.

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Fair dos Jim. But I still believe he means it harmlessly, he is just suggesting as a joke that there is no way of stopping this City side and you will have to resort to that as a joke.

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Both have spent alot, but one has spent alot more and took over a much more healthier squad. Give Jose the extra £150m and he would have got his proper right winger, right back and ball playing centre back, United will look in a much better position. Give Pep £150m less and he would probably still have Zabeleta, Sagna and Bravo, players he struggled with and were exploited during his first seaaon.

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I saw that. IMO he did not say it maliciously, he said it tongue in cheek, jokingly suggesting that is the only way to stop this City side.

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Adding to that. Here is a article from Jose’s mouthpiece Duncan Castles. He was not happy Shevchenko being forced on him when he did not ask for him.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2007/jan/13/newsstory.sport

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I am not taking the blame away from Jose. He has made some mistakes along the way and this is probably his biggest job. If United get rid, then who else? People forget United came 2nd last season. That’s their best position post Fergie. The squad still needed tweaking to progress. 400m is a lot of money, but he had to get rid of the dross Van Gaal bought and replace them.

Woodward had a list of 5 players, if he did not like the players on the list, he could gone back to Jose and come to a compromise, he didn’t. He didn’t say anything, which left Jose bewildered. If he does not trust Jose with signings, then why have him there as manager.

This is Woodwards 3rd managerial appointment as CEO, if he gets rid of Jose, then maybe he needs to start looking in the mirror and ask himself if the CEO roles is for him. When he bought in Sanchez, the man was talking about shirt sales rather than how he would improve the United side. You mentioned Willian at 29, would Woodward have a problem with a 29 year old Bale for a big fee. No, because he would have sold shirts.

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Come on Jim, it is only 1 game.

Look at the quality surrounding them at international level compared to club level. Lukaku has Hazard, Mertens, Du Bruyne around him. Pogba has Mbappe, Kante, Griezmann, Dembele. Pogba was surrounded by 2 players who have only just got going in the PL.

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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/41084876

I was referring to this. Think it was on the final day of the transfer window last summer. City placed a £60m bid, but it depended on Arsenal finding a replacement. If Lemar joined Arsenal, then City would have got Sanchez for £60m. City walked away in January when United came in.

Agree with what you say, but this United team are still a few players short of mounting a proper title challenge. Pep did have to replace a ageing defence and was allowed to. Jose had to replace the attack, midfield, and defence. The only position that did not need replacing was the GK.

Pogba is just inconsistent, not sure if that is down to Jose. But when I saw him during his early days at Juventus he was inconsistent then too. I always said people overhyped him, I did not watch him for a few years before he joined United and some were saying he was quality. The Pogba I am seeing now is the same Pogba I watched during his early days at Juventus.

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Apologies Ed, I just got caught up. Anyway feel free to delete any posts if you believe it is necessary.

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Although age plays a part, United lack that experience. Players who know how to get a team out of a rut. We have seen now experience players play a part with the last few title winners i.e Kompany, Fernandinho, Silva, Aguero, Cahill, Matic, Costa. United do not have experience at that level, the likes of Smalling, Rojo and others are just tripe.

Ferguson kept players like Robson, Bruce, Pallister, Keane, Scholes, Giggs, Carrick because they provided that experience on and off the pitch.

If Liverpool had Gerrard and Carragher against Real Madrid they would have won imo.

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Have to disagree about Sanchez. City put in a £60m bid for him last summer and Arsenal did not sell because they could not find a replacement.

Cannot disagree with the rest Sean, if you watch the game today. Jose had to turn to a left winger, turned left back to play right back.

Not denying Pep has improved players, but he also inherited a miles better squad, yet was still given money to improve on that squad. Jose was given a poor squad and has been given money, but not as much as Pep. If roles were reverse would Pep do any better? Look at City’s star men, Fernandinho, De Bruyne, Silva, Aguero, Kompany. All being at the club when he arrived. Imagine if he walked in a team that had a ageing Rooney, Carrick, Fellaini, Smalling, Rojo, Jones, Young, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin. With 150m less to spend compared to City, would he have done well. One club needed alot more work done than the other.

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I also read up that during this 8 part documentary, Manchester United or anything related to the club are mentioned every 3 minutes and 20 seconds, whilst City are said every 2 minutes and 40 seconds. That is a 40 second difference of mentioning your own club and your rivals.

Not sure if that is accurate, but blimey that is obsession if it is true. I am going to be honest, if that is true then it sums things up. It shows the level you need United to endorse yourselves even when United are at their lowest in years. I mean this whole documentary has been endorsed on what Pep/City said about United and Jose. It is like your PR team needed that just to get people to watch it as you could not do it on your own.

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The veil digs during the documentary, the confetti at Old Trafford last season, the petty 2-1 signs from various players in the tunnel after the win. If you want to go further back, how about the welcome to Manchester sign, your CEO saying when and not if we beat Manchester United during the league cup semi final all those years ago, lets not forget the degrading Munich mocking chants by your fans. I see they have gone quiet since the new ownership.

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Thats the problem, not every player can be a success when bought. Pep has spent over 500m ans was allowed to replace his mistakes from the previous summer window, just imagine if they told him that he could not replace Bravo with Ederson. Imagine if they told him he could not spend 60m on Sanchez because he bought Sane for 40m a year prior. One manager is backed whilst the other isn’t. Jose gave Woodward 5 players to get and Woodward vetoed most of them. Also United bought alot of dross under Van Gaal. Whilst Pep had the likes of Aguero, De Bruyne, Fernandinho, Silva, Kompany, Sterling. Some being there since their last title win, adding that experience. The key players since Uniteds last title win have retired or left.

With Jose, I always questioned his style of play, imo he is trying to get the balance right. How many number 10s/forwards do United have that have been pushed out wide or playing deep i.e. Fellaini, Mata, Rashford, Martial. Thats why he is struggling and wanted proper wide players for example Willian and Perisic, a player Woodward refused to pay a extra £5m for, cannot say the same would have happened at City.

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Well like you guys have been preaching, if City cannot take it, they should not be dishing it out.

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That is true Ed.

Saying that during his first Chelsea spell he fell out with the board after RA forced 2 players upon him. Then again at Real Madrid when they did not back him and players went to the press leaking his line ups and tactics, and the same is happening at United in Woodward not supporting him. Only time he actually did well and left on good terms was at Inter. The only board he still gets along with to this day.

I blame Woodward for this. Jose knows the side needed a little tweaking i.e. ball playing centre back and a proper right sided player, yet a ex investment banker thinks he knows how to build a successful side better than a man who has won more PL titles than all the other PL managers combined.

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These are the defensive lineups 2 years ago.

Watford 3 Manchester United 1

De Gea, Valencia, Bailly, Smalling, Shaw

Leicester 4 Manchester City 2

Bravo, Sagna, Kolorov, Stones, Zabeleta

What has changed between both sides?

It is hilarious that the CEO of Manchester United, an ex investment banker, believes he can build a team better than a man who has won more PL titles than the other 19 managers combined.

If people believe Pep can work under the same conditions as Jose, then they are deluded considering Pep struggled to work with the likes of Kolorov, Sagna, Zabeleta, Clichy and Bravo.

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