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Do any of you guys know what happened to careworkerlfc/taxidriverlfc? He was posting on here for a short while.
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Some deep stuff guys. I hope and wish well on you both and your family members/close ones who are going through or witnessing someone going through this horrible disease. Sorry about your Dad, Jim, I lack understanding on the disease, but obviously it just sounds horrible to deal with from what I know about it. I wish your dad, wife and brother in law well. Prays and thoughts go out to them.
Prays and thoughts go out to Len Johnrose too.
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I went back on team talk a few weeks ago and I just remember getting a ad popping up quite often when typing a post. When I tried removing it, it took me away from the page I was typing and I could not go back, which resulted in me needing to type the post again. Such a shame really, the place has its characters, but it also has a fair few decent souls on there.
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Also likewise in regards to your input. End of the day we both are passionate about our clubs and will always end up engaging in some fiery debates now and again.
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/en.as.com/en/2018/01/17/football/1516206282_821073.amp.html
To be fair Jim I was only going by what someone said and also stated it could be incorrect. Have a look at what the article above states Sanchez is on. Some how £14m a year after 4 and half years does not add up to £180m. These massive figures were sent out by City because once again they could not accept a player rejecting them, most recently Jorginho.
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Apologies for my error Jim.
Straight swap for Miki, who cost United 27m. Arsenal wanted 35m for Sanchez, that is a nice £8m profit.
If you have not paid a fee for him and did a straight swap for one your players, doesn’t that make him free ?
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Jim- I have not watched the documentary. I don’t have Amazon prime, so will not be able to.
My stat was based from a tweet/facebook post someone sent me through whatsapp. Apparently they totalled up the number of times anything related to United are mentioned and averaged it towards the total time the documentary is. Like I said earlier I don’t know if it is accurate.
Anyway why the veil digs towards United. In the class of 92 documentary, it would have been easy to interview Giggs and talk about why he left Manchester City all those years ago along with a few digs. Yet they didn’t. In the treble winning season documentary, they could have easily mentioned Liverpool, City and other rivals. Yet they didn’t, they solely focused on their own achievements. I remember watching a documentary on sky about Chelsea’s record breaking season in 2005 and Arsenal’s unbeaten season in 2004, their whole focus was on their own achievements, kept any mention of their rivals to a minimal.
I understand this may not have been all to do with City, but someone at City would have approved it. As you say this could be a brilliant watch for the neutrals, yet the media have just made it about what was said about Jose, United and a few others, which put a fair few off imo. Apparently the reason why Pep telling his players that Maguire is slow was put in the documentary was because he was linked to United at the time. That is just attention seeking pettiness if true.
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Just like to add to my post towards Mick-
If you look at how much Pep has paid for short term signings compared to Jose, it is alot more.
Walker(27)-50m
Mahrez(27)-60m
Bravo(33)- 17m
Nolito(29)- 13mThat totals up to £140m
Compare that to United under Jose-
Zlatan(35)- free
Miki(27)- 27m
Matic(29)- 40m
Sanchez(29)- freeThat totals up to 67m.
Going back to the original point I made, Jose can be a prize plum at times, but I don’t think you can blame him for this. This is all down to the board.
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Fair points Nine.
I believe it is too soon to give up on Jose just yet. Jardim would be my favourite to replace him and I agree what you have said about him. I doubt the board will go for him though, they will aim for Conte imo.
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Moos-
I don’t think I have got anything mixed up because I explained who had the better experienced and older players. Jose has bought in Dalot(19), Pogba(23), Lukaku(24), Bailly(23), Lindelof(23), Fred(25), Mkhitaryan(27), Sanchez (29) Zlatan(35), Matic(29). That is 6 long term signings and 4 short term signings, with 2 already leaving.
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Mick
No one actually knows what Sanchez earns. According to these guys he is on £14m a year, that is far from £26m a year.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/en.as.com/en/2018/01/17/football/1516206282_821073.amp.html
The high wage excuse was a narrative set out by City to the media who could not accept being rejected by him, just like recently they could not accept being rejected by Jorginho, so set out stories about him wanting to join City rather than Chelsea. You should read up how much that club pays for PR. They were more than happy to pay £60m for Sanchez a year ago during the summer transfer window. If the wages above are true, then United won have paid Sanchez £63m over a space of 4 years. If you also consider the £10m profit United made on Miki, that is £53m, a fair bit less than the fee City offered a year ago, which excludes wages
Thats the bit I do not understand, why is Sanchez a short term option for United, yet not when City were in for him. Especially when they had the likes of Sane and Sterling, now they bought Mahrez who turns 28 in 6 months which limits some of the players game time.
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Nine-
If you look at the players both manager had when they took over it was completely opposite to what needed fixing within the squads. Pep although had a ageing defence, his experience players were there for him. Players like De Bruyne, Silva, Aguero, Kompany, Fernandinho have been key for him. Pep bought young and blended in the 2 i.e. Stones, Laporte, Sane, Jesus, Mendy.
With Jose he had some really good young footballers i.e. Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Shaw, he then topped that up with the likes of Pogba who was 23, Lukaku who was 24, Bailly who was at the time 23 and Lindelof who was 23 at the time and so on. His only experience players were Rooney, Schweinsteiger, Carrick and De Gea. Two were past their best and lost their legs, whilst 1 was close to retirement, De Gea being the only exception. He is now trying to blend his young players with some experience i.e. Willian, Toby etc. His current “experienced” players are tripe for example Smalling, Rojo. Thats why Jose bought Matic.
No doubt Pep has bought better. But I see what Jose is trying to do. End of the day he is here short term. Every successful manager has always relied on older experienced players to help out the younger players. Ferguson did it with Robson, Bruce, Pallister, Irwin, Keane, Scholes, Giggs, Wenger had it once with Adams, Campbell, Dixon, Keown, Parlour. Pep is doing it now with Fernandinho, Silva, Aguero, Kompany.
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Mick-
IMO coming 2nd last season was a bit of achievement considering where United came the season before. The size of the squad is irrelevant, it is all do to with quality. A fair few players are not good enough for United. Jose has bought in some quality, players he has bought in have been better than most of the players Ferguson bought post Ronaldo, better than the players bought by Moyes and Van Gaal. The likes of Darmian, Rojo, Smalling, Jones, Blind and a few more are just not good enough. He also had to get rid of Schweinsteiger, Rooney etc who were past their best. Having a large squad does not mean you have the best squad. In terms of balance United are all over the place. Jose is trying to fix that.
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Nine, nine, nine-
Pep in his first summer made mistakes. He spent close to 20m on a keeper, not just any keeper, vastly experienced one who was over 30, realised he was not suited for the PL and then a year later the board gave him £40m to spend on a another keeper. He spent close to 180m that summer, more than what any United manager has post Ferguson, and 30m more than Jose. People make errors in the transfer market. How many centre backs have City gone through before getting it right i.e. Savic, Mangala etc. From the looks of things Jose wanted a defender who can play from the back, who can bring the ball out. He had that at Chelsea with Carvalho, at Inter with Lucio, at Real Madrid with Varane. He probably thought Lindelof was probably his answer, but like Bravo was for City, is not suited to the PL.
Why give him a new contract in January if you’re not going to back him. If you read and listen to what Woodward says, it is about shirt sales and marketing. Spending 60m on a 29 year old Willian is not worth it, but spending 100m on a 29 year old Bale is.
Gary Neville summed it up well, why let him build 80% of the house and not let him finish it. I believe peoples opinion on Jose is overshadow their views on what is actually going on.
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Mick Far
I have said this numerous times previously. People are underestimating the mess left behind by Van Gaal, the 27 year old DNA of Ferguson still at the club and so on. People are also underestimating Jose came 2nd last season. Their highest league position post Ferguson. It is not about a recognised system at the moment, it is about getting the right balance of players. United are a recognised centre back and right winger short. Jose saw this, unfortunately the board didn’t. These things do not fix themselves over night.
When Pep arrived at City he had De Bruyne, Silva, Aguero, Kompany, Sterling, Fernandinho at the club. When Jose arrived he had a ageing Carrick, ageing Rooney, Schneiderlin, injury prone and past his best Schweinsteiger these were his experienced players, along with deab such as Rojo, Darmian, Jones, Smalling and many others who were not good enough. The only promising things at the club were Martial, Rashford and De Gea. Pep spent 280m in 1 season to rebuild his squad last year. Jose spent 145m. That is almost twice as much and not exactly peanuts.
It is not Jose that is the problem, as proven on Sunday he saw the holes in the squad. Shame a ex investment banker thinks he knows how to build a squad capable of winning the league better than someone who has won it 3 times. Like I said he is bound to be annoyed.
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Hightown hope-
Not this time round. Like I said earlier, he was only given a contract extension last January. So why not let him continue building the team he wants. Yes he can be a prize plum, but he genuinely and rightfully should be frustrated with Woodward. Get rid of Jose and then who?
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Martial and Rashford are still at the club, De Gea is close to agreeing a new contract. Neymar did not arrive and so on. Jose only just signed a new contract last January, he is bound to be annoyed that the club did not back him. If you’re going to blame someone, blame the current CEO who gave the manager a new contract only 8 months ago, vetoed his transfer targets and thinks he can build a successful PL title winning better than someone who has won the PL 3 times.
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http://www.twitter.com/M12owy/status/1031615184811356161/video/1
Gary Neville bang on the money
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Adlab
Pep accuses other managers of blaming referees after a loss, then blames refs himself after a loss. Like sean says every manager is a hypocrite.
Watching the Man City documentary Pep tells Wenger he complains about the ref too much. Then when Liverpool played City in the CL Quarter final all pep did was complain about the ref. Hypocrite.
— Seb7 (@Seb479) August 20, 2018
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