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Thank you Sean.
All is well. Hope everything good with you bud.
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Nine-
Fair point.
The person who wrote the above was mainly talking about the people around Pep and how much Pep trusts some of these people who have had a history of supplying PEDs to athletes. The Icarus spoke about holes in the system and how easy it is to replace dirty urine with clean urine when drug testers are involved. How Barcelona and Pep have got off when they hired a man who later was banned for supplying Lance Armstrong and how to help Lance Armstrong overcome drugs test by replacing his urine samples.
The FA may have this covered, I doubt it though. The same dinosaurs are extremely inconsistent with their decisions when it comes to disciplinary panels etc. It was 14 years ago that Rio missed a drugs test and was banned for 9 months and years later it was revealed that numerous players from various different clubs failed to turn up to drugs tests and escaped punishment.
Like I said in the title i could be clutching, but this is first time I have heard about this in regards to Pep. No other manager in the game has links to this.
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What is so desperate about the above? City are flying and have been on a different level to the rest, I agree with that. They have been a joy to watch.
Saying that it is quite alarming about how much people bury their heads in the sand in regards to Pep history of doping and the people around him who have been either banned for supplying illegal PEDs or have a history of supplying PEDs.
Like Beni I was completely unware of Peps history of using PEDs and Barcelona’s past of having doctors who supplied PEDs to athletes. It was only when I watched Icarus and started reading up on the programme after when I came across someone on twitter claiming Barcelona have a history of using the same doctor involved. This was mainly under Peps tenure, where he had a doctor who was banned for supplying Lance Armstrong at Barcelona. He said that the way Barcelona play and the 100mph football they were playing, players either slow down with exautions as the season progresses i.e. Liverpool, Arsenal or they suffer niggling injuries because of the strain on the muscle. This person said that the only way to over come this is by taking PEDs. Barcelona never suffered above and coincidentally had a doctor who supplied Armstrong in their ranks and the same person who gave Pep an illegal steroid, Pep has taken him everywhere with the exception of-
Like Beni has said food for thought. If I am wrong about any of above, then I apologise. This is a genuine discussion in regards to how accurate the above is.
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Again Goat, I have to disagree. De Gea distribution when he is playing for Spain is top notch. Ederson is brilliant at it too at City. If Pep had a choice, he may choose Ederson as he has seen more of him off the field. De Gea has not played in a side that similiar style to Pep at club level, we do not see him as frequently playing from the back. And obviously I watch more United games than I do City, so I have seen what De Gea can do with ball using his feet. All round, De Gea is one of the best out there. The Spanish play from the back, their style resembles Citys and Barcelona and recently have done well. De Gea has been praised for his performances.
Due to De Gea not playing in a club side which play a similiar style to city, it is unfair to say what his distribution is like frequently at club level and whether Pep prefers Ederson to De Gea. Just like we have not seen Edersons shot stopping skills because we have only seen him play under Peps style of football. All round Ederson could be one of the best keepers out there, we just dont know it yet.
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Goat-
I have to disagree. De Gea distribution when he first arrived was his strength, his shot stopping and strength in the box was his weakness.
Watch this video 2 minutes onwards, he plays some brilliant passes. He gets praised for similiar passes when he is in net for Spain, if he was at City he would most likely be doing it more often and people would notice it more.
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Apologies with the poor way of explaining things, but I was talking about De Gea fitting 2 different styles of football. But I suppose you already knew what I meant. Ain’t deflection on the actual topic of Ederson vs De Gea brilliant.
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Who said all 3 play similiar styles?
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Not sure that Man City, Spain and Man Utd, play a similar style of play, Only seen the latter park the bus this season…..Pagan
You have not watched United much this season then, Spain and City play similiar styles. United play some what differently, 2nd top scorers in the league do not tend to park the bus frequently, otherwise they would not be 2nd top scorers 😉
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Cheers mate, when you do, please tell him you have just seen this clip because De Gea’s footwork is nothing like Edersons
And
https://www.twitter.com/PureFootballYT/status/921749447763222530/video/1
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De Gea is not just a brilliant shot stopper. If you watch spain, his distribution is brilliant too. Ederson made a brilliant pass on Saturday, but I have seen De Gea make similiar passes in the past for United and Spain. That is why I said you have not seen De Gea play much to goat, De Gea’s distribution is brilliant and why a lot regard him as one of the best keepers today. It is easy to say Ederson fits Peps style of play because his feet work etc due to Citys style of play.
De Gea fits the Spanish style of play which is similiar to Citys style and Uniteds style of play too. United have conceded the same goals as City, yet City play football with a higher possesion. Which keeper would Pep prefer?
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Hahahaha
You have not seen De Gea play much have you
The best keeper in the world today.
If United had Ederson in net against Arsenal, then they would have got pummeled.
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goatistuta
It was obvious I am joking.
Anyway nice to have Terry pick 8 United players in his all time PL 11 yesterday on monday night football, including Gary Neville. He must be bias 😉
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Haha Nine.
I don’t think he is being bias in that article. His opinion is measured between praising City and giving his say on the quality of the PL today. He is not undermining City, they can only beat what is in front of them. It goes along with the point I am making, to label this City side a true great they need to play against truly great teams with world class players in the side like the great Arsenal, Chelsea and United sides did. Unfortunately that is a area the PL is lacking outside of City. The only player I would consider world class outside of this City side is Hazard.
I remember the same was said about Barcelona in 2009, when people questioned their quality because of the poor quality of La Liga. They went on to beat a Chelsea side full of quality players, a little lucky considering the ref for that game and a United side that had Ronaldo, Tevez, Rooney in it in the final.
Obviously Citys true test will come when they play the likes of Bayern, Barcelona, PSG because no other PL side come close to the quality of those sides.
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Malcom is a name that is being linked to United. A 20 year old Brazilian who plays for Bordeaux. Not heard of him or seen him play. Jose should throw in Angel Gomes in to mix on the right side of midfield. It will be a risk, but the youngster has got some potential. Rashford has turned out ok so far.
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A good article which sums up the point I am making.
United are the second best team in England but if you compare their starting XI with title winning teams and the closest challengers in the late 1990’s and 2000’s, they’re nowhere near as good.
In the 2001-02 season, for example, United finished third in the league and were 10 points behind champions Arsenal. Yet David de Gea is probably the only current United player who would get in that first team in place of Fabien Barthez.
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Agree Beni.
My top 10 would be-
1- Manchester United 08 side
2- Manchester United 09 side
3- Manchester United 13 side
4- Manchester United 11 side
5- Manchester United 17 side
6- Manchester United 16 side
7- Chelsea 2015 side because Jose managed the side
8, 9 and 10- Whoever is remaining.No bias involved.
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Goatista-
If you read my post again, I also said some good things about City, for example-
This city side are spectacular to watch, no other side with the exception of Liverpool in the 2nd half of the 2014 season have come close imo.
2 rival teams I have complimented.
Pep has got them playing in a unstoppable unit. I am a massive fan of Pep when it comes to styles of play, the PL needed him in order for others to take notice and evolve.
About a year ago on teamtalk I wrote the following, it was mainly aimed at the international than domestic, yet had the same point I was making.
I gave an example of the quality of defenders Drogba was up against compared to the quality now. IMO today he would have a field day with some of the quality defenders on show.
I am not sure what the current United form has got to do with this? My post was purely based on what pundits, fans and some journalists are saying about this City side. As I said earlier-
United have improved but on their day are lacklustre
I agree United are poor to watch at times.
I will give you the 99 and 08 United starting line up-
Schmeichel, Gary Neville, Stam, Johnson, Irwin, Giggs, Beckham, Keane, Scholes, Yorke, Cole
08- Van Der Sar, Brown, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Hargreaves/Carrick, Scholes, Nani/Giggs, Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez
The great Chelsea side of last decade-
Cech, Ferreira, Carvalho, Terry, Cole, Robben, Duff, Essien/Makalele, Lampard, Drogba, Gudjohnsen/Anelka
Arsenal 98-
Seamen, Dixon, Winterburn, Adams, Keown, Petit, Vieira, Overmars, Parlour, Anelka, Bergkamp
02- Seaman, Cole, Luaren, Campbell, Adams/Keown, Pires, Ljungberg, Vieira, Edu, Kanu/Bergkamp, Henry
04- Lehmann, Lauren, Cole, Campbell, Toure, Vieira, Silva, Pires, Ljungberg, Henry, Bergkamp.
These are teams considered PL great, some competing against each other. Including Citys today, pick your best 11 from that lot and how do you think this City side would fare against them and how do you think the teams above would get on in the PL today.
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Foden is quality, especially from what I have seen of him and what a few City supporting mates have told me. Long term replacement for Silva and potentionally the closest English playmaker to Scholes.
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I started this thread because a lot of pundits, some journalists and fans have said this City side is the best side in PL history. It is open to debate, just wanted to get what others fans think how this side would fare against previous great PL winning sides. Who would you pick from the selection in your starting 11 and so on.
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Agree Nine. I am not trying to beat City down, even though it may look that way. I have said watching this City side is a joy and I am a United fan.
My overall point is that if you put the Chelsea that only lost 1 game from 2005 in this current campaign, how do you think their will do? I reckon with the quality of teams compared then to now, they would give City a run for their money. Same as the 08 United CL winning team, putting them in this campaign, I believe things would be close. Drogba in his prime played against Carragher, Hyppia, Rio, Vidic, Ledley King, Sol Campbell etc, defenders whp were considered extremely good and world class. He would have a field day against the likes of Jones, Smalling, Lovren, Otamendi, Mangala, Mustafe and co imo.
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