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Stevesnakeeyes….just to answer your question. In 1944 the war was still on. The attraction of football then was to see all the “Guest players” City had them from all over the place Newcastle, Everton,Blackpool…I guess it was a case of wherever they were posted at, nobody travelled far then unless necessary. The ground was full of “uniforms” Somedody asked about house prices, My father bought our house in 1938 just before war started and I think it was £750, same house to day, probably £175000 in Blackley manchester
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Thanks Ed , I have noticed that there are good posters on here referring to recent events so I feel sure they do have the fhr forum quality at heart. I can only contribute to what is there
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Makaveli…well, I just had to laugh at that, I could of course go to Salford City!!!! Bury is my nearest league club, then Blackburn, Bolton, Rochdale, Oldham and Accrinton Stanley and lastly my village team
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Nine,, yes , I do appreciate it and I will be selective on entering viewpoints that become fractious. Most of us do not have full details as to what is really happening at our clubs anyway so we take our own view as if it was the only one. I have been guilty of this myself in the past. However, onwards and upwards and as long as my utterings do not bore you all too much it is just my way of some divergence and something else to discuss. The forum has good poster and it can be seen from recent events that it does care and wants to be fair to all. In the meantime I will endevour to highlight some of the players I and many others of my era have admired over the 75 years If you get fed up please stop me
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Another thing I smile about to day, I mentioned my first match, well my sister and her future husband who was in the RAF flying in Lancasters were both avid Utd fans, of course they took me to see Utd as well but they did not have Frank Swift!!!!! Always said to them both, they gained success by playing on the City pitch and had a ex City Captain as Manager, a certain Mr Busby
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Mikus…that was a factor but mostly poor management and that 4 letter word GREED
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Thank you all for the kind words, 75 yrs is a long time, I was 10 yr old when I went to my first match 1944/5 season City1 Everton 3…you would have thought that would have put me off City but it did not. Now at 85yrs time is catching up on my traveling to matches and getting jostled in the crowds although I do go early and sometimes leave a little early. Chuky, I remember Spurs winning very well and did watch that marvelous team play some great football…then the crowd cheered not booed as the fashion is to day. The one thing I miss to day is football characters, we see good players but not characters any more. I could not name one in the Premier
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Chuky…you are right, the stadium went crazy thinking that was the winning goal. Even Spurs players thought it was, when it was reversed even the Spurs players laughed. I do not believe it even out over a season….in fact, by the same logic…it could get worse!!! I hope not. I have moved on now and the only thing in my mind is Bournemouth on Saturday
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The fact that is that most find the changes have not been explained sufficiently, so, not just the players but the fans on the seats understand what is happening. They will walk if this is not corrected. I noticed in the test match yesterday, even with camera they got it hopelessly wrong, the Australian batsman should not have been given out, the ball clearly touching the ground, yet somebody viewing this in a box says OUT, human error beats technology again
It would appear to me, first , they have to get the laws sorted out then there has to be a clear understanding with the technology being used it is capable of doing what is necessary and lastly a complete understanding between Ref/VAR/Human interface I am sure in time they will get it right but right now it is lacking in all departments. I also think the Refs will abdicate from a lot of responsibility and leave it to VAR, this could go either way. If Refereeing standards were higher there would be no need for VAR but they have not been good for years now so VAR will be viable and when the technlogy gets better it will have benifits._____________________________
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Nine, I am only back because the subject is interesting. I am no longer interested in tribal warfare between fans on who is the best or has spent more, who has the history etc etc My only interest is the game of football and 22 players on the pitch On Saturday I went to watch 22 players, they gave me and others an entertaing game. A draw was the result and no matter how I would have liked it to be different, the game is over and is history for anyone interested in history. I am just looking forward to the next match I will not be starting a “City going forward thread” or entering any futile discussion on how clubs are run. If I had a wish it would be to see Sheffield Utd, Burnley. Crystal Palace and the like to ground us on this forum, that is what the forum is short of and who are not as fortunate enough to be more sucessful , for the time being.
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makaveli…while I would agree with you 100% that is also the problem in my view. How precise can it be, it will never be 100% so why. In football there will be numerous incidents like yesterday when you have lots of bodies and movement and although in some cases contact will be seen, not in every case, yet a decision will be made by a human. So, I agree, it is the rule at fault not VAR but then VAR has contributed, because I am not that convinced , that is 100% reliable, and that is what we are discussing with VAR has got it right, 100%. My other point on VAR is, it is supposed to cover the game, if it did that, the game would be stopping every few minutes in some matches. I do not know the answer Mak but I can only see it getting worse if nothing is done. I am sure fans will not pay to see such poor rule makeing affect our game in the future, markers are being set and not for the better in my opinion. EPL needs to wake up before it is too late. VAR is not takeing the human decision makeing out of it, so in effect, we have a Ref watching a TV screen….will he give the right/wrong decision? If you use technology you have to do better than this and in my view the technology is not good enough to take the human content out of it and that is its weakness. I do support the idea of technology being used but not this way
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A return post from me since I was at the match yesterday. First, I have no problem with VAR but not in its current form and control. If they had kept it to goal line technology and maybe bad fouls unseen by the Ref and run with that for a couple of seasons this would have gained more confidence for all concerned. The decision was not even scientic as they clain, however, what is done, is done. My other point is what about the rest of the game when VAR should have intervened and did not, so now, we come down to a person makeing a decision. What I do think will happen is fans, wherever they come from, will get fed up with this and there will less bums on seats because it will just spoil the game as we know it. Use VAR by all means but it has to have quicker and better definition of the Laws of the game. Maybe we should send teams out with arms strapped behind there back!! The sceptic in me also see this as a manipulation of the game from a “box” and who knows…a betting sydicate sponsor!!! Use VAR by all means but let us have better guidance…it is not there now. Stadium fans will not pay for seasoncards if this carries on and the Premier will have to find life size dolls to sit in sits with voice control!!! Thank you and bye
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This is my last post, once things get personal I am really not interested anymore.
I wish all you fans the best of luck for the rest of the season and into next. I have tried to keep a civil and fair minded approach to the forum but I think I am wateing my time. Cheers to all and enjoy the game_____________________________
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Very soon…..players will need a lawyer versed in the game who can confront the referee on behalf of the player to question his ruleing. Then we will need a technical lawyer to understand the strengths and weakness of a VAR ruleing
The game has gone crazy, keep it simple
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Mav…Pep did not buy Mangala and probably others you have in your inflated figure. How much have others spent, then take the difference, over the same period, then again historicaly a few clubs have been spending huge amounts for years. This is all not relevant to your point though because without question Pep is a good manager, one of the best, his record also confirms that. Spending, he will spend what he thinks is right, he could have out bid for a few players who have gone elsewhere but now struggle…he knows where the value is. He will make mistakes, nobody is perfect but he will not be a failure either
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Just relax and see what transpires, as I have said before the team that wins it will be the best team….end of story. All the permutaions are pure guesswork and full of “ifs and buts”. City or Liverpool will be worthy winners anyhow. Pep and Mr Klopp are both winners,they will continue to be rivals for the next 2/3 seasons I am sure
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What about Caraboo, what about Community Shield….these are games played no matter what you think about them as status.If you calculate CL then you have to calculate all the games played in the season not selective ones. Well done to Pool though for getting through to Semi
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I have stated from the start the Quad is not on for City but it was a cruel way to go out.
VAR is here to stay, like it or not, Mikus had it right earlier, it may become farcial and the length of time it takes must be improved on. In the end it also comes down to a persons opinion even with the available technology and here is the problem. It will bring improvement in time but it is going to be frustrating until the learning curve is complete_____________________________
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NB…out of interest..how do you work that out?
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Nine…GMR always a good listen…which I will do to morrow night. I will at the Spurs match on Saturday though. It has been expensive though,,,my wifes birthday, a good job an early kick off and have had to treat her while at match, so bank balance goes down this week
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