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Adlab….true Fernandinho and Otamendi made some mistakes too day but nobody was blameless if you want to put blame on somebody. I can go through the whole team and highlight poor passes and non tackles but Like I said before, the players were trying hard and maybe that was the problem, other than that they did not play as badly as the score depicts but the score is the score and we have to live with it. I suspect Pep will make changes before the next match assuming we are injury free from Internationals. When Zinchenko and Bernado came on they improved on the first half performance but if you give away soft goals in the EPL you will be punished. Before they scored Wolves had two clear chances to score in the first half, identical in movement. We had four, keeper made two excellent saves but all were chances we would normally put away. As Pep would say, you learn from mistakes but we have not digested yet because Norwich was just a few games ago The more I see of Rodri the more I think….what a good buy Cancello….too early to say, mixture to day of careless and brilliance.

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There is no point in stating what Liverpool or any team can or cannot do, it is what we do that matters. To day, we tried and failed, as simple as that. Wolves got the tactics right and we did not. No good blaming the defenders to day although more than a few mistakes the wingers Sterling and Mahrez did not do enough
Augerro fought a lone battle. Why , on WHY did we keep putting crosses into him and Silva against the very tall Wolves defenders I will never understand. We did not win any of the crosses. I am not too disappointed at least they tried but it is about time we brought in Foden and Garcia to share the workload . Well done Wolves, it was an entertaining game but just not in the same City manner. Move on, just get better

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Mac, I think you were right in first post. Kick it out…money has entered the arena and now it is justification means only that is overtaking sensible comment

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Nothing much will happen…it is the FA we are talking about. I am not pre judging this until I have heard both Liverpool and City comments. I also expect the clubs to settle it, keep the FA out of it

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I cannot see how they are going to fill the stadiums for football on this evidence, after all these are world champions competing.

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In many respects this is a far better Forum than TT. I do believe it is getting better and the discussions more “even handed” which I believe any true fan would want. There cannot be room for complacency though and we should all try to do our best and keep away from inflammatory remarks., be as critical as you want but be fair

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Steve…an advantage China have is a huge domestic market and due to the future clout they will have will be a stronger exporter and I expect them to be building there own RR, Ferrari Porches etc with electric motors. They will not be good at everything though and the ability to problem solve will take them years more. They supply equipment without really understanding what they are supplying it for in some areas, ie,g, Chemical engineering which I was involved with

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I will catch up with the programme, as I said , I did see one of them. It has been extrodary growth. The young people in the factory’s i was working spoke good English, they learned from BBC World service not school!!! Of course, just like BBC they have now axed I think
The numbers re Chevolret/Etihad I was not really meaning City fans would not buy a Chevy or Utd fans would not fly with Etihad I only discounted them to view the wider global opportunity

I think you will also find in to days China manufacturing they are moving more quickly to automation in a way we have not done

Back to shirts…after all our assumptions and points made the band wagon will still roll and we will see shirts for every opportunity. Apart from Blue, I also think Prestons colours look smart, once watched City play a home game in Prestons colours, minus the advertising!!!

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Nine…my grown up children often ask me to write my experiences down, I have tried but I am no writer and now memory begins to fade. As to China, I did catch some of the China TV but this was made, like most programmes, just for TV and misses a lot of real life.Maybe I will give it another go, most of my time in China was very good although my first visit in 88, I think, scared me because the plane then landed at a military base , as it was then, lots of armed guards and Mig fighters!!!! However, , this stay, the Chinese people were wonderful

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Maybe we will have an idea who will win in APRIL!!!!!!! Today is far too early. Adlab…yes it is all doom and gloom from the media re City….I really do not mind it anymore, when they are short of a story they will say how good we are. Game at a time, that is all that is required

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Nine…I believe the sponsorship Roi comes from there forecasted sales generated outside the club remit. E.G Chevvy are not going to sell 75000 vehicles to Utd fans and not everyone will fly Etihad from City so they have to look at the larger market, which they will profit from if they have done there forecasting right, this is then not so much at the expense of the local fan
You are right about the Chinese factory workers but you also have to remember the Chinese labour market is surprisingly fluid, so much so, for good engineers to stay they have to offer Western level wages Up to my retirement I worked extensively in China, Korea,Malaysia, Thailand and Japan for 13 years so know something about daily working life. However, the main industries such as electronics, car mfg and textile production have a methodology to labour useage and as you say many do come from the “country” and do send money home. One of the good features in China I found was there was a responsibility to family. I hope that does not change in time for them
In general terms, China has been very smart, other countries were allowed to set up in China, in that period from the mid 80’s they have learned a lot, quickly

Apologies to posters not interested in this, it does deviate a little from the subject but I think Nine and myself have tried to put things in perspective PLUS…it makes a change from VAR!!!!

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The three things that determine a fabrics performance are
1.The type of material used, e.g cotton, polyester etc
2 The type of structure employed (Mostly knitted these days but the type of knit and type of yarn crucial)
3. Type of finish

What may right for one player may not be right for another.
Mostly hype from manufacturers for football use

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Well, I agree with you Pagan, all I refer to is….its not right but fans will never change it because most are “hooked” now. I also think the same as the old adage “you get what you pay for” but in this case you pay for the product plus, plus. That is the way of the world now, I certainly cannot change it. I have a lot of Grandchildren would love to buy them kits but it would cost me more than a months pension!!!!!! Maybe I should start a new scheme….”buy Grandad a kit”!!!!! I would still take sponsors name OFF I just want to wear a City Blue shirt as they were years ago

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We have played better but Job done…move on to next game

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Nine/Pagan…OK, I understand that and it is outrageous but I am looking at it from how the costs is derived The fabrics, good or poor are bog standard will cost a fraction of the price and I mean not much. The brand and corporate sponsor costs will be high in comparison, put the two together and it still would not amount a quarter of the true cost in my opinion, therefore a healthy profit for the club at the fans expense. You have a valid point about the many changes and there should be a rule for three seasons without change, after all, I assume sponsors sign for that time at least. The Lacoste etc is a different issue to football clubs but the same points apply. There is no earthly justification in the quality of a shirt like Lacoste to be so expensive, the same, if not better quality can be found in shops, again buying of the logo puts a lot on. They would point out, no doubt that they have world wide sales and Advertising and PR department to drive it, which will cost. Say no more about Walkers crisps now, stopped buying them!!!!!!!

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On a point of quality which is usually poor for the price you pay, what you pay for is the Logo or named shirt. I have seen shirts that I would only use as dusters from a quality aspect. The knit or woven quality is not good enough but then again, they do not want it to last more than a season……but wait a minute…now the environmentalist are telling us to wear our clothes longer!!!!! Are the clubs then contributing to our wasteful society?????

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Thanks for kind words Nine/Steve…at the end of the day I am just a football fan like thousands of others. My memory is fading now but will always remember the first game. many changes to the game, many players watched and teams I have enjoyed watching. The Forum brings up many issues for debate which is all good because somebody is thinking of the game, I just hope it keeps its sanity and respects views, at the same time does not inflame comments…we are not here for that. I must admit I really enjoy some of the comments because they bring up points I had not thought of

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Well, next season I will probably do that, My local team play just 3/4 minutes away. I just hope I last that long!!!! A season ticket next year would indeed be a risk but will pay over the odds for an occasional game. City has dominated most of my life, sporting wise. and it was strange being at the 125th anniversary game last Saturday when I have covered 75 years of them…How time goes so fast I cannot explain You are right Pagan about grass routes , I just hope I do not encounter the points Mak pointed out Nothing replaces street football played years ago when one of our streets was considered to be Wembley

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Mac..I like your posts because you get down to reality. I also liken to when people ask me the best City team or player I know after 75 years of following. The question cannot be answered. In many ways the game to day is more entertains, in other ways it looses character. Years ago, apart from supporting your team , you went to see certain characters play, Tommy Lawton, Stanley matthews, Tom Finney, Len Shackleton etc As to Pundits, I just cannot get my head around them bringing up there white boards and figuring out moves “they” should have done etc. As I said before, they are trying to make a science out of it when clearly that is not possible. How many times do you hear “that is a wonderful pass” when if you are watching you know there is an element of luck to it.

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ED…as a PS I think it is a mentality thing…Pep drives the same way be it Utd, Liverpool, Newport or even Southampton!!!!!
Play the team that is in front of you because if you do not, you will loose no matter who it is

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