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When Liverpool were in the final I 100% supported them as an English team.
The point I made previously about the referee was he continually let them ,Carvjhal in particular, get away with foul after foul.
Why?

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Just a view
Football’s rule governing body, the IFAB, specifically outlines where and when VAR can intervene on its website.

They may only step in to assist the referee when there has been, “a clear and obvious error” relating to “a goal/no goal, penalty/no penalty, direct red card (not a second caution) or a case of mistaken identity when the referee cautions or sends off the wrong player of the offending team.”

With no way to prove that there had been a clear and obvious error, the official was unable to command a review.

Real Madrid boss Carlo Ancelotti is shown a yellow card.
A new passage of play had begun
Comments from Arsene Wenger were shared after the game though where he suggested VAR had not gone back far enough to check if the goal was “regular.”

But too much time had elapsed, and a new passage of play had started, which meant that the incident could not be used to rule out the goal according to football’s laws.

Between the ball supposedly going out for a throw and KDB lashing it into the net, Madrid won the ball back before giving possession away.

That signals a new phase of play and football laws expert Christina Unkel told CBS Sports after the game that IFAB laws meant the preceding incident no longer mattered.

Page 141 of the Laws of the Game handbook states that “it may be necessary to review the attacking phase of play which led directly to the decision/incident.”

As the throw-in incident had not directly led to the goal, VAR could not intervene.

Real will now face a stiff challenge to secure their place in the final when they travel to the Etihad Stadium for next Wednesday’s semi-final second-leg.

As Ancelotti’s side found out on Tuesday night, the quest for European glory can come down to the smallest margins.

So how far back do you go? Kick off!

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And as for the commentary and pundits….

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A totally bent referee. Not just bad. Bent. Why are they not booked for foul after foul.
Disgrace

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Nine. I was so devastated to read your post this morning. There are no words that anybody can say. We all should pray for a miracle. I know you have the inner strength to deal with this. You have my total respect for the way you are dealing with this.

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Sean.Irish press.
Look at Newsnow MCFC Top Stories and you will see the numerous articles in the Irish press.

I’m sure we both know why. I know from years of posting you like me may be bias but not naive.

Politely who do the Irish press support Celtic or Rangers. And that is because…..same Liverpool/United v currently City. And please don’t take offence,

Signing off for a while.

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Lucky. The answer is I don’t know. But City say they haven’t misrepresented information.
But why are the club assumed to be guilty by people and press who don’t really know. Just stored up by the media. It may all be true.
What I can’t stand is ex player drug cheats making comments, like will the players get paid.
Then the United daily mail suggests Pep’s comments about the nine teams and Levy might be liablous.
But for that you have to prove it was untrue. Those clubs signed a letter to UEFA.

I have examined the allegations again and actually most are just neither here nor there. Throwing enough mud hoping some will stick. Frankly it pales in comparison to Chelsea finance over the years. But I don’t see massive! London press attacks. Just on Abramovich himself. Why is that.

I shall sign off posting for a while as I don’t wish to fall out with cyber mates. You’ll see that in general my summation will probably be right.

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We may be guilty we may not.
But look where all the hyperbole is coming from in the main
Sorry chaps if you don’t believe it please check.
The Liverpool press. Understand that
Ex Liverpool players and so called pundits
The Irish press . I know why but rather not say on here but you don’t need to have an Oxford degree to work it out

To be fair virtually nothing from United, although I do wonder why.

Remember most news outlets are owned by very few eg Trinity

I am thoroughly sick of the assumptions…even on here.

Let’s pontificate about Chelsea, Spurs, United.
Why don’t we go back and ask questions about Louis Edwards. Ed might remember. Chelsea bankrolled for years by a Russian crook. Nobody looked back here. Where did Chelsea get the money to become a great team? Stolen from the Russian people. Let’s look back and take their achievements off them shall we?

Let’s ask where the Spurs owner, now a tax exile got his money. Mind you Spurs haven’t won anything. Have a look at currency trading by him in 1992. Making money from the demise of the UK in the ERM. Then a swift move to the Bahamas.

How’s your Bible…let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

Sick of it all

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PS But not in emails!!!!

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Chucky. The dodgy coaching contracts you refer to may be very dodgy indeed but perfectly legal.
If somebody wants to pay Boris Johnson £250k for one speech….who am I to say the price is wrong.
Discussing how to legally circumvent rules in an email? I spent years doing similar to legally assist businesses limit tax liabilities legally such as moving tax residency to Ireland etc.
This is the point I have made above.
Nothing is ever as it seems without full context. I suspect this will be City’s defence. And they may be right? Who knows

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Although as you all agree I am one of the most biased City supporters, I also have sufficient professional background dealing with obscure financial cases.
Firstly nobody has broken the law, given the information provided so far.
Secondly has anybody breached the rules. I don’t know. I haven’t seen the complete evidence nor have I interviewed anybody. In my professional life I dealt with many tax cases many of which, much to the authorities disappointment, ended up very different from where they started.
In almost every case it was due to the lack of complete evidence available to HMRC.
Like it or not, tax avoidance is perfectly legal. If a business uses the rules legally to gain advantages it may be morally wrong but not illegal.
It may be that City have circumvented the unfair FFP rules, maybe or maybe not seen as acceptable but in the context of FFP rules still legal. I don’t know.

What I can tell you all is that in financial cases nothing is ever as it seems.
My concern here is that this just drags on and becomes more acrimonious. And you can rest assured other clubs will be exposed for this and that as one defence will be precedent.

This will take YEARS unless a deal is done..which is, at this stage, given what any of us know, is the most likely. My guess is guilty on some of the minor allegations such as not fully cooperating or similar. I think that the EPL need this sorted and stop worrying about our inept government.
The good thing here is that this will be dealt with in private away from the tabloid rags Carragher, Jordan , the Irish press etc al.

By the time this finishes we may not be here!!

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Have a listen to Peps prematch interview

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😁 Sean!!
I think the best pundit is Gary Neville. Most of the time talks sense.

Don’t like Danny Murphy much.

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The only thing I would like is if Liverpool say are playing Brighton then there is a pundit representing each side.
Pundits we have include Souness, Girl spitter, Sourness, Rednap….all Liverpool.
Ferdinand, Neville Keane….United.
Perhaps it’s better they don’t pundit on their own clubs

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Just as a matter of interest does it really matter?
Who owns Harrods, Clariges, Hamleys, Savoy etc, etc etc. Nobody seems to moan about these. The WC was held in Qatar. Those who complained went to watch. We watched the games on TV

Of course I understand all the arguments and it would be better if United were owned by a local butcher and City by White and Swales TV. But that’s not the way it is. People say what about the German model where the fans own? Great. Same team wins every year.
There is massive hypocrisy and jealousy abounding.

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Just to put this sort of thing in to perspective in terms of time. My other half is an international expert microbiologist specialising in norovirus. She was involved in a case in Ireland about the contamination of Oysterbeds near Cork. Believe it or not the case took ten years.
In the end the local authority settled.
So I hope it can be put on the back burner until there is something positive. The more disparaging comments from the likes of Wenger etc. ….the more City will dig in and who knows what else will come out….in respect of others and nobody wants that. Just let them get on with it.

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Just speaking to a barrister friend who deals with commercial cases. (Arsenal supporter).
He said, given the lack of detail, that subject to appeal and possible judicial review and any other mechanism available, given City have nothing to lose, this case could conservatively take years. His feeling will be a deal.
He also said the uninformed press comment will not help the EPL case. He also said he wished he would be doing the case as the costs could be millions.

He then informed me Arsenal are going to win the league.

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I’m inclined to think a deal will be done right or wrong. There is a danger of a Pandora’s box here for the EPL. Dirt will be dug and no one will win and the lucrative brand will be damaged.

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Nine. I think you are right. It could take years and huge cost.

Even the cases I was involved with some of which took five years plus to settle, my charge out rate at the end 10yrs ago was £600 per hour!!!

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Gentlemen you are making the same mistake as the one who spits at girls and the exPalace failure.
You are assuming guilt without facts.

This already builds a defence if it were a legal case. Known as pre trial prejudice.

Rather than count chickens think in a more considered way.

If any of you have ever been involved with potentially complex civil cases you’ll know what I mean. So often there is such a conflict of evidence and facts a case fails.

I spent so much professional life succeeding and failing on such matters you should not speculate

Let’s see just as said when UEFA tried and the same comments were rife.

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