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  • #211907
    Nike19
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      Van Dijk’s injury versus Everton affected him. Glad he’s getting back to the level and focus we need him for.

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      #211910
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        Ya that’s it CM, Van Dijk’s arrival changed Liverpool from upstarts into contenders. Contenders against the best PL side ever. That isn’t a subjective opinion either, as they have the most points tallies ever and that goes beyond the PL too.

        What Vaan Dijks arrival did for Liverpool, was show our own fans that this team could actually defend.
        We were a glass canon before he came here. Now we can finish seasons as one of the fewest (sometimes actual) conceded, playing with a high line.
        That is crazy, and it’s achieved largely down to his reading of the game but let’s not forget that he’s actually got amazing distribution for a CB. He’ll chip in with 3-6 goals a season also.
        He’s the perfect CB.

        He is however in very good company.
        I wouldn’t change him for anyone but neither would fans of so many of the other legends.

        Maybe for this kind of list we shouldn’t be allowed to use our own teams.

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        #211914
        Nike19
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          Whilst it’s appreciative from opposition, I’m not seeing re Van Dijk. In any case, we’re a laughing stock for ‘only winning 1 PL’ despite holding a near record to 20 League Titles (yes we should have won more!). I just don’t see VVD the standout in the way I see Sadio Mane.

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          #211918
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            Maldini reborn gifting Fulham a goal tonight with another error 🙄😉.

            No, the thing I do agree with re Van Dijk is that he’s probably the CB who has made the biggest transformation to the team he’s joined in the league. Rio, Terry and Kompany all came into already top sides.

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            #211921
            Chucky McChuckface
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              We can go two ways… TOP 5 (not including your own team) or TOP 5 (just including your own team!)…

              Anyway, my TOP 5 (Spuds only)

              1) Harry… who else, really?
              2) Son…
              3) Bale…
              4) Moose (who has to be one the most underated players of all time…)
              5) Toss up between Vertongen/Alderweireolslsooeddilelled…

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              #211923
              Chucky McChuckface
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                If DVD get bonus points for transforming Pool into contenders (and please note I’m not saying he didn’t) and was the catalyst for a very successful period in their history, then you’ve got to give Cantona extra double bonus points as I think he was the catalyst for a much longer and more successful period at YooUtd… and considering the amount paid for either player (even with inflation) he has to up there for absolute best transfer of all time…

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                #211924
                sean the sailor
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                  Thete so many utd players you could include as they dominated the 1st 20 years of the pl

                  Giggs is one if you look at him just as a player but an absolutely disgusting person.

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                  #211926
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                    Yeah Sean, I thought about adding Giggs but it’s just impossible to ignore what a scumbag he is off the field. On it, he’s second to none for achievements alone in the league. I do sometimes think thr fact he played on for as long as he did skewed how he’s viewed. In his early and mid twenties, he was unbelievable on that left wing.

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                    #211927
                    Nike19
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                      My same thoughts on Giggs. He is probably the most decorated of players so should be up there, but from what’s come out in his personal life, he’s harder to like.

                      Always though did have a soft spot for Cantona. I just resent his stamp on John Moncur back in 1993.

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                      #211928
                      Nike19
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                        Re, the 19/20 title was a joint effort in my books; defensive side of things would have to be a combination of Alisson, Trent, VVD and Robertson; even Matip.

                        Mane was always the main man for me; as with Salah and Firmino. We just picked ourselves up from what happened in 2018 to push on.

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                        #211929
                        Tugay is God
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                          Ed you are completely wrong about Kompany and Terry. Mark Hughes bought Kompany in 2008 so City were not a top side then. Also, Terry made his debut in 1998, so long before they were a top side.

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                          #211930
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                            Good point Tugay. I hesitated before pressing submit regarding Kompany but you’re completely right. I think in both cases though they joined as young players so were unlikely to have been able to have the same transformation effect that Van Dijk had coming in at peak age to Liverpool. Both Kompany and Terry had to first establish their place in the side.

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                            #211931
                            Tugay is God
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                              Kompany actually signed as a defensive midfielder! Turned into a centre back.

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                              #211932
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                                Yes I remember Utd chasing him for a year or so before he signed for City. Superb player and superb career. Average manager, like so many of the players mentioned in this thread, interestingly. In fact, I don’t think a single one of the names mentioned has done anything of note in management despite a lot of them trying.

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                                #211933
                                Mikus LFC
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                                  You have to be a great communicator to be a great manager. I think great players get frustrated they can’t communicate across their own natural skills and abilities.

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                                  #211934
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                                    But wouldn’t you think the same applies to being a captain, Mikus? Which many of these players were, whether actually having worn the armband or not.

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                                    #211935
                                    Makaveli
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                                      “In any case, we’re a laughing stock for ‘only winning 1 PL’ despite holding a near record to 20 League Titles (yes we should have won more!). I just don’t see VVD the standout in the way I see Sadio Mane.”

                                      I have that moment where I strongly contradict someone else but I want it to not read in a disrespectful way.
                                      I don’t think there’s a genuine fan of the sport who think that Liverpool are any kind of laughing stock under Klopp, that doesn’t involve their dislike for him or rivalry with the club.

                                      Klopp’s Liverpool is without a shadow of a doubt the best that I have seen Liverpool, as a fan of the club.
                                      I have a feeling that you’re a bit pained by the fact that this great team should have won more and there I think we agree, but I think we’ve had 3 or so points tallys where we’d have won the league (normalised for 3 point wins or 20 teams) over any season in history?… I may be wrong but not by much.

                                      There’s nothing embarrassing with ending the season with 96 points. If you don’t win the league with that… That’s a total freak situation nd although I would like to open the floor to questions on how the other team got more… I won’t.

                                      Embarrassing? No man. A legendary team who have made 3 CL finals. A team who came closer than any team ever will of a quadruple without quite making it.

                                      As for Van Dijk… This actually shocks me more but I have my own experience of my time as a fan and I loved Mane also. I think Mane represented hope when things weren’t going so well for us. he was a force of nature but he was very very far from the perfect player and I don’t want to taint his legacy at the club but if you or any of the others remember back in previous seasons, I pointed out his long spells of poor form.

                                      I’m not going to go into my issues with Mane because I don’t want to argue against a player who for several season was my favourite player. He’s just unfortunate int hat he’s un against Van Dijk and for me there is no comparison.
                                      I had already written off the Boletc as a nonsense Oscars style award but Van Dijk not winning it that year cemented my opinion and I’ve not paid it the slightest bit of notice (except to mock it) since.

                                      There was never a time when Mane should definitely have won that useless award but there was when Van Dijk should have. Mane definitely came close I guess but Van Dijk absolutely did it in my eyes.
                                      It’s just ma little too easy to take certain positions for granted but when they embody your club and play to such an incredibly consistent level…

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                                      #211936
                                      Makaveli
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                                        “If DVD get bonus points for transforming Pool into contenders (and please note I’m not saying he didn’t) and was the catalyst for a very successful period in their history, then you’ve got to give Cantona extra double bonus points as I think he was the catalyst for a much longer and more successful period at YooUtd… and considering the amount paid for either player (even with inflation) he has to up there for absolute best transfer of all time… ”

                                        Not really because Cantona was a talisman. Van Dijk was the engineering element behind it.
                                        Cantona had flair and promotable stuff that suited the camera but Van Dijk was far more involved, consistent and transformational.

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                                        #211937
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                                          Chucky, how about Kyle Walker or Ledley King for the Spurs ones? I guess Ledley was just so unlucky with injuries. I reckon he’d have been in with the top CB shout if he’d not had those injury problems. Same with Woodgate. Walker probably played his best football for City, I suppose.

                                          My top 5 for my club in no order

                                          1. Rooney
                                          2. Keane
                                          3. Scholes
                                          4. Ronaldo
                                          5. Rio

                                          Top 5 not from my club. Again no order

                                          1. Henry
                                          2. Kane/Shearer
                                          3. Salah
                                          4. Kdb
                                          5. Terry

                                          I really can’t separate Kane and Shearer

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                                          #211938
                                          maverick1973
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                                            Henry wins it easy,what a player he was!Giggs,Bergkamp,Shearer,Fellaini,P.Jones,man,legends!

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