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The 66 squad was pretty good.😊
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Wasn’t trying to start the “debate”, just trying to us it as an example…
The current “squad” have done better and gone further into tourny’s (twice now!) than the “Golden Generation”… hence my suggestion, they’re a better TEAM than the Golden Generation, who may have been better individually on paper back at home at their repsective “clubs”
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You know what, maybe I’ll put this one out here (and grab my tinhat!)
Maybe Gerrad and Lampard were considered better than what they actually were due to their “support” cast at club level… put them together with a differnet “support cast” then maybe their true ability was shown…
Now I’m starting the debate… 🙂
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Funny you mention 66 9. I watched the final for the first time, I think when the Euros were on (Men’s), so a couple of years ago now. I have to be honest the standard of football was dire, really really poor. I don’t deny that it was likely the height of the game at the time.
Not sure what point i’m trying to make, but I do now roll my eyes whenever someone brings up the players of yesteryear to highlight how much better they are than today’s players. It simply isn’t the case.
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It was tongue in cheek Harry you can’t seriously compare a team from nearly 60 years ago to today. Of that time though England were a very good team.
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Tbf 9, it’s usually the older crowd that say things like current X player isn’t fit to clean past Y players boots, and in doing so make that comparison. I wasn’t having a dig at you, just pointing out that I now take nostalgic views of football with a hefty pinch of salt.
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Wasn’t trying to start the “debate”, just trying to us it as an example…
The current “squad” have done better and gone further into tourny’s (twice now!) than the “Golden Generation”… hence my suggestion, they’re a better TEAM than the Golden Generation, who may have been better individually on paper back at home at their repsective “clubs”
I don’t disagree with this Chucky. I think it’s clear the current side is a better collective unit. Listened to a lot of the players from that Golden Generation talking about this and they all make the point that there were more club cliques then. You stuck to your group and there was much more inter-club rivalry. Nowadays, I don’t think there’s the same animosity between club rivals. How big a part Southgate has played in that, I have no idea.
Another point and maybe it’s my nostalgia blinding my judgement but looking at some of the sides England went out of tournaments to in that era. That Brazil side in 2002 was immense. Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Carlos, Ronaldinho, Cafu etc. What a side. Argentina with the Beckham red in 98 with Simeone, Batistuta, Zanetti, Ortega, Crespo. 2004 (& 2006) going out on pens to Portugal who then went onto the final. We talk about that team failing but they’ve either gone out to great teams who I don’t think we’d have a chance of beating with today’s side anyway or we’ve gone out on the lottery that is penalties. So, for all the points about this current team being better, we’ve clearly gone further, yes, but I think we were knocked out by much better sides back then than any side who has knocked out this current side.
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Whilst this side has gone further, the sides who have ultimately knocked this England out are Croatia 2018 and Italy 2021. Let’s face it, neither of these sides are great sides. Certainly not on a level of the sides who knocked out the Golden Generation.
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Only beat what’s in front of ya…
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Well, yeah. Hence why I’m focusing on the strength of the sides who knocked that side out vs the sides who knocked this one out. Brazil, Argentina, Portugal of that side vs Croatia and Italy for this one. Impossible to say, I know, but imagine you swapped the England sides. Does anyone think this England side of today would have got past any of those sides back then who knocked us out? I don’t. Do I think the Golden Generation would have had better success against Croatia in 2018 or Italy last year? Yes I do. Fair enough if this side of today had gone out to France or another top side but they’ve lost to sides they should be beating.
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Just like the true colur of Buffy’s pants, we’ll never know!! 😉
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“I wasn’t having a dig at you, just pointing out that I now take nostalgic views of football with a hefty pinch of salt.”
Harry no worries buddie I never took it that way and I agree with you. Cheers 9’s
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All time 11 without Becks – come on, it’s simple 🙂 🙂
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Silly rhetoric question: Who’s daft idea was it to host in Quatar?!
I’m read £80 pound just for a Pint of Beer!
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That’s one World Cup won. England double World Champions. It came home again Sean.😊
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Lol enjoy nine mate
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Sean, just joshing buddie. Ireland beat the double white ball World Champions.😊
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Wallchart and Fantasy Team it shall be. You never can be too old hahaha 😀
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Good program on sky with Neville about the wc in Qatar
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So, all attention turns to the Middle East for the most corrupt World Cup in history… and speaking of Neville Nevile’s eldest Neville, anybody else see him hosting “Have I Got News For You?” the other week? It took it well, it must be said, but he did get a few “roasts” thrown in his direction about going there to “commentate”…
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