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Three P’s, wholeheartedly agree with your first paragraph and a sound observation mate. I was thinking about Firmino. He has the ability to dribble past players, link up play, and create his own space and opportunities.
Salah seems crowded out. Bar patches here and there, he’s not been the player he was for a very long time. We really underestimate how good Mane was as he would be the target man in deep positions.
I don’t quite understand your point on midfielders. I know you made this yesterday. My argument would be that there needs to ideally be 2 pretty much side-by-side and supporting each other central and attack. I think this is where Henderson has strength as he would either support Fabinho or Tiago.
There are players scattered in our set up and isolated. The full-backs at times look a bit in two minds in pushing up forward. There is doubt because of our vulnerability in defense. The players aren’t communicating and doing the basics, but I have to say, a lot of this lies on the Klopp’s doorstep.
If opposition teams have us figured, then it’s ultimately down to us to adapt and if need be, re-invent our own wheel. There needs to be wholesale changes in my view, whether it’s the way we set up and play to the players we have in our first team. I would respect klopp a little more if he made these bold moves and also not afraid to drop under-performing players, even sell them for that matter.
Our bulk stock has been used for more than 5 seasons playing at such high-intensity. It’s beyond where and tear and players are ageing. It shows against teams physically strong, powerful and energetic. We were bullied first class in the first half last night. This defeat has to be the last straw to a wake up call and pressing RESET.
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Nil, neither Thiago or Fabinho have the legs for high intensity pressing. Previously Fab had Hendo, Gini, Milner etc who could do the high intensity pressing meaning he could make sure he was positioned to protect the back line. Now the press is bypassed leaving Fab with either players running at him or he has to cover a lot of ground leaving him and the defence exposed. He needs players with good pressing ability around him, neither Thiago or Elliot do. Look at the first goal, unfortunate OG but it came from a corner after Alisson saved another slice through our midfield.
Also regarding the press both Firmino and Mane would great at initiating that from the front. Salah and Nunez don’t.
You misunderstood what I said about Bobby, it wasn’t about him making space for him self but making space for others. Nunez as a more orthodox no 9 takes up the area that Salah likes to exploit. Its slightly offset by Nunez being more left of centre but not to the extent when Firmino dragged the CBs out of position. Salah has no area to exploit and against a low block team Nunez main asset in his direct running is nullified. We end up crowded out.
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Nothing lasts forever Liverpool need revitalising particularly in midfield move a few on sign a few and Liverpool will be good to go again probably next season. Nunez has pace to burn he’s well worth being given time imo.
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I think me and you are watching different games threeps. Nunez makes runs all day long. Mostly out to the left dragging oriole with him. I’ve seen countless times a quick long ball getting him moving.
Nunez is the least of our problems. We were told we didn’t need a midfielder two years ago when winji went. We now need at least two. We are playing a high line when there is zero press from anyone. We let to many crosses into the box.
We knew they would have two at the back ad an over load againest Trent yet we did nothing about it. It was a tactical shambles and tgis is not a Klopp team. We can use all the excuses in the world but we hardly even run as a team now.
We have gone from nearly winning every trophy in the land to looking like a pub team. It’s not the midfields fault that we leaving 4 players free in the box from a corner. It’s a shambles all over the place and had been all season
We are far to easy to play againest now.
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You’re missing my point about Nunez. Yes he runs, but he runs forward very directly. Firmino dropped deep which created space for others to exploit. Nunez doesn’t do that. Against a high line he will be very effective, against a low block like last night after they scored he won’t be.
It’s never just Nunez’s fault, the midfield fault, Keita’s fault, aging players fault, Salah’s contract fault, Nil’s fault, or anyone specifics fault. It’s the team that is wrong, it’s set up wrong from the forwards to the centre backs. The only thing that is working is Alisson is still class. I disagree that Nunez is the least of our worries, he is part of the worry that I had at the start of the season and it hasn’t gone away. The press from the front is missing, the making of space for Salah is missing.
The midfield is a massive issue sure and probably our biggest. But it’s not in isolation.
I’m going to contradict myself and say it is actually someone fault and that is Klopps. We need to go back to the high intensity of a couple of years ago we calculated presses and strong runners in midfield. Or we go full in to the possesion style he seems to be trying to recreate and buy the right players. Currently we are a mess and neither one style or the other.
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But jota didbt drop back like bobby threeps and had played nunez position many times and I didn’t hear any complaints. We knew the midfield was an issue two years but told we didn’t need anyone. Salah has missed 12 huge chances this season. He’s getting in the areas and two huge chances v Leicester set up from nunrz coming from the left. Nunez has missed 15 chances. Long ball last night he runs onto and burys it but it’s offside. That’s a clear example of a long ball working.
Salah was stuck to the right wing last night? Ox was coming into the middle. I agree, I blame Klopp. No we’re near ready for that last night. Keita should have started instead of Elliot. It’s a shambles at the minute all over the pitch
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Seemingly the Liverpool players no longer have the legs to play high intensity football particularly in midfield. Klopp has to decide what style he wants to play and buy accordingly.
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Is it not just the case now that Klopp knows he doesn’t have the right players in midfield so is having to adapt somewhat to them rather than vica versa? As I posted on TT, the recruitment team should be leading the club over transfers and making them happen, even if Klopp isn’t 100% over them. You look at all the properly run clubs like City and they identify targets and ruthlessly bring them in. This isn’t all about money. If we were chasing Tchouameni over summer there must have been big money available. But when that target went elsewhere, we just seemed to do the old, “we’ll have to wait next season now until the right player becomes available again.” Yet I read somewhere that Klopp effectively made the recent Gakpo signing happen which if true means that Klopp is almost effectively having to run the club completely. That really isn’t good. I know Klopp is the biggest asset the club has, but it’s not good if the whole club ends up bending towards him and relying on him to do most things.
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Nine, that’s true mate. I graciously accept we had a Wonderful 5 year experience of progress and success.
We won every trophy available which is unique and we’ve reached the point of decline. My personal favourite still is the 2 near misses of the Title Races and really pushing Manchester City to their limits. I don’t think we’ll see anything like this.
Some of the other teams of late are sorting their problems and good for them and their supporters. Everyone deserves some good fortune and happiness in their lives and shouldn’t suffer the doldrums forever.
I just wish our Manager would accept our plight and give some serious thought about adaptation, a new system maybe, and or wholesome changes. If we haven’t been proactive enough, then fundamentally, it’s time to react.
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Mikus agree to an extent to what your saying and I get what you mean when you mention City and their policy. Also heard that Gakpo was a Klopp choice and that (forgotten his name) is moving on at the end of the season due to differences in thr recruitment policy. Is that a bad thing, that the manager who determines the style should decide on the recruitment for his system? For me it should be a two way thing but Klopp should have final say.
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I used to think a manager should have final say threeps, particularly following the transfer committee debacle. However, whilst it of course makes sense for a manager to have some input on who comes in, I don’t think they should have full control. If our transfer team is that good (and we often wax lyrical about it), then good managers should be able to work with good players picked out by them. I know there’s no still guarantee that they’ll work out, but the transfer team should be responsible for ensuring we have good enough players at all times in each area of the pitch. If it is however being knocked back by Klopp, or if it is being over picky, then we then risk being left short. At some point, the club as a whole has to take leadership over this and not just effectively hand everything over to the manager or sigh that they cant find anyone. But this is the danger when a club weds itself to a long term manager.
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Blimey, the filth vs the Bone Saw Boyz… who do you cheer for here?? 🙂
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That should have been a 2nd yellow for Xhahhaakaaa
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Hope arsenal score. No attacking intent from Newcastle
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Lampard can’t survive a 0-4 defeat at home, surely?
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Whilst I was trying to sort out hardware issues on my Comp, I thoroughly enjoyed that game inspite it being goalless. You can appreciate Newcastle really trying to maintain their resolute and the 1 defeat all season as with Arsenal who kept on knocking and knocking but just could break down the door. Frustrating for them I’m sure but still in a very good position; who knows what could happen Thursday Night.
Would have been a bit harsh to give that handball as a pen. Both Managers shook hands although in the heat of the moment, Arteta lost it and disappointed with his conduct in the way he tried to confront Eddie Howe. There was no need for it really.
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Yeah doubt it Ed, time is probably up.
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Omg, who do we play next away from home in the League?!
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Rodgers’ is probably facing the same concern about his position.
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4 straight home defeats I think they said for Lampard. He’s on borrowed time now. A bit like Rodgers, seems to keep getting saved by the odd unexpected result. In Lampard’s case, thr City result might have bought him some time.
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