Weekend Footy #2

[nine nine nine]

Nil, you are completely missing the point this has absolutely nothing to do with City what happened today at the Etihad has every chance of happening to every team in the PL this season and overall this rule is bad for football imo.

Read Mak’s posts and he’s a Liverpool fan and certainly not pro City and he’s talking about the good of the game.

If you think ruling out goals like that which completely accidentally barely brushed the arm of Laporte it was almost impossible to spot by the naked eye is good for football good luck to you.

I suspect you would be singing a different tune had what happened today happened at Anfield in a Liverpool v Spurs game.

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“Nobody would have batted an eyelid had their been some other team involved.”

I have more than batted an eye and I want City to lose points. There’s a lot more at stake than 3 points. It’s not just about an opportune situation. It might suit us today but I assure you, you’re gonna hate this rule when it bites us on the ass…. and it will bite us on the ass.

Nil, I’m not having a go but I am saying that if this happened against Liverpool, you’d be up in arms. You would be right too. Take a look at the goal on sky sport youtube (ya they officially have highlights there now woo).

You’ve got to make the effort to be as objective as you can. watch it and consider Liverpool.

Now tell me how you feel.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Well, well, well… I need to stop shutting down the TV, throwing the remote at the more annoying of our two cats, and going to bed with the hump and watching Youtube nonsense for 3 hrs… 🙂

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[nine nine nine]

Great point by Alfie on this on the other site which I completely forgot about “former whistler Mike Reilly has assured fans that the ball-to-hand decisions we saw this summer in France will NOT be given as spot-kicks in the Premier League”

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[Hightown hope]

Just the most ridiculous decision I’ve seen for a long time. Why are the authorities trying to ruin our game? There should be no scenario where that goal is ruled out, and for the previous 140 odd years of football It wouldn’t have been, so why the f*** change the rules now? It’s scandalous. Pagan and I have long since been anti VAR, but people have told me that it will mean more decisions being correctly called. So what, if it means crap like that I saw yesterday. That is no way a correct decision, and is just going to ruin the game.

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[Pagan]

VAR what’s it good for (couldn’t resist that)
Well for me VAR is an overreaction to the odd refereeing mistake that happens in football, and considering the amount of decisions made in a game, which must be in the hundreds, the amount the refs get wrong is extremely low.

Players in this country were generally less technical than their overseas equivalent a decade or so ago, the FA, clubs etc have spent billions on new training facilities and overhauling the way players are developed, why aren’t they doing the same for referees?

Why not make refereeing a proper profession, take those with an obvious talent at 18-20 and nurture them through the different levels of the game, from academy through youth, U21 lower league, championship, premier league.

At the moment you do your course and are then pretty much left to your own devices to learn, which is ok for kids who just want to earn some money, but there is no reL structured pathway as a profession.

So what we’ve done is create a TV culture where we overanalyse every decision a ref makes, castigate him for it, spend millions on technology and now change the laws of the game to suit the technology.

The game wasn’t broken, so don’t try and fix it, it’s taken a decade plus to start to up the quality of our players, it will take the same time to up the quality of the officials, but by then it may be too late.

No one really likes speed cameras, yes They’re there to uphold the law, so is VAR really any different….Pagan

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[sean the sailor]

Yet again city thought they had won and it took an age for var to pop up. City players and fans went from so high to so
Low in a minute. That’s my problem. You can’t even celebrate a goal now until your absolutely sure it’s given. It really does ruin it

Absolutely no one saw any issue with that goal yday and everyone was stunned to see it called back. It’s just crazy

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[sean the sailor]

On another note, some stunning play from city yday. Kdb was out of this world. Huge result for spurs who kept fighting.

Brilliant hat trick from
Pukki yday. Newcastle look in serious trouble already

I’ve noticed this young lad of Norwich Cantwell in last two games and he looks a very good player.

Thought some of liberoools attacking football in 2nd half yday was excellent

Harry Wilson with a goal in his debut.

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Who the monkeys are the liberools??

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[Nike19]

You can’t pre-write scripts and there’s no conspiracy.

What happened to Man City is a culmination of 2 separate scenarios from 2 different seasons. They are non-related so not even a co-incidence.

It could happen to any team. It’s not a case of being pedantic, it’s abiding by the rules of the game.

Why blame VAR?

It’s like parking on a double-yellow to visit the cash-machine or parking there for an hour, you’re still going to render a ticket if the warden shows up and takes a photo.

Ball to hand, deflection, whatever you want to define it as was infringement against the new guidelines.

Harsh I know, just like last season’s goal line tech for the sake of 11 millimetres, but there we were and here we are ⚽️

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[Nike19]

Btw, wasn’t a goal ruled out last week at Leicester in similar circumstances?

Yet, I did see any comments raised about it on here…..

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[Chucky McChuckface]

Said it somewhere Nil, when a VAR goes “against” a Top 6 club then all hell will break loose…

Still don’t like VAR, even if my boys benefited from a bizarre rule that was accurately enforced.

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[Luckydestiny]

VAR in itself is not the problem nil, its this particular stupid rule, if VAR has inspired this new rule though, and like pagan fears will lead to more stupid rules, then it does more harm than good imo.

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[Nike19]

L/D, you’re right mate.

There was an update in the Summer of rule changes. It’s only when they are ‘in fruition’ during actual matches that we get a taste of reality.

The ball-to-hand has always been a grey area in my eyes, ever since I was kid in Primary School.

Chucks, re your first para, that’s exactly what has happened here mate.

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[Adlab]

The analogy to parking and speeding is wrong. They are there,like it or not, for good reasons.
This rule in the way it is applied for OBVIOUS accidental ball against arm is nonsense. There is no good reason. It needs discretion not an absolute regardless.

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[nine nine nine]

Spot on Lucky the two things need to be separated in this game there was an incident that was the responsibility of VAR which was the penalty to City that wasn’t given which VAR should have corrected.

The cancelled out goal was down to the handball rule change which the majority see as a stupid rule and what makes it more surprising is that Mike Riley who heads up the Referees in the PL said pre season that as per Alfie’s comment on TT decisions like the one we saw against City wouldn’t be given in the PL.

There’s no surprise that there’s been more focus on this incident firstly it was a game between the Champions and the Champions League runners up, secondly it was the second time in consecutive games v Spurs at the Etihad that City have been on the wrong end of such a last minute goal being cancelled out v the same opposition. Thirdly and perhaps more significantly this was a live game last night so more of us were watching it live and understandably more of us commented on it.

I would like to see the media put Mike Riley’s pre season comments back to him in respect of this particular incident because the two situations don’t make sense.

I’m actually pro VAR but I’m anti this new handball rule be nice to think they turn it around but I’m not holding my breath and it will be active in UEFA controlled games anyway.

I suspect we’re stuck with it now and it will play a part in how this season develops whether we agree with it or not as fans of this great game of ours. Cheers 9’s

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[Pagan]

999, it’s not Mike Riley’s job to tell refs what laws of the game they should and shouldn’t enforce. The laws are there and all should be enforced, it’s just the altering of laws suit the review system we now have is the problem…..Pagan

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[Luckydestiny]

glad to see bristol city got the win nine, fingers crossed today mate bit nervous myself.

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[Pagan]

Adlab, the analogy of speeding and parking is fine, although it was written a bit tongue in cheek, as speeding has dire consequences at times, but the analogy was there to show that any misdemeanour no matter how slight is picked up and dealt with….Pagan

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[Pagan]

Mr. Balance, the ball being over the line by 11mm, that’s not changed since pitches had lines on them, the whole of the ball has to cross the whole of the line, Hawkeye is just very accurate, and is used to uphold a black and white law. The problem for me now is we have technology we’re changing the laws of the game to make them suit it…..Pagan

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