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First game of the season was a absolute steal ed. I’ll need to go back and review to give a more comprehensive answer. But man utd have no business having as many points as you do, given how dire you’ve been so far this season, that I’m sure of.
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We conceded less than Liverpool and the same as Arsenal last season Mikus. Obviously you can always improve on that but the problem last season wasn’t conceding too many across the season. It was the lack of goals.
I’m quite resigned now to the fact Ten Hag won’t be around for much longer. The standards at a club like Utd should be so high that a lack of progress is deemed to be not good enough. Unless he turns things around, not only results wise but performances too, he’ll be gone I’m sure. The question, as always, is who to bring in. Without an obvious candidate and while ever we continue to pick up points as we’re doing, there’s no real urgency at present to change anything.
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Oh I don’t disagree with you re this season Harry. We’ve been awful. As or Anfield last season, that was equally bad but definitely an anomaly from an otherwise good first season in my opinion.
Yeah if you haven’t even watched us this season aside from the first game,I understand the luck comment but you’re way off since then. We’ve had awful luck with VAR decisions since then.
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Arsenal didn’t have a good enough defence last season to win the league. And Liverpools off season was well documented. So in that context I think the bar was low. As I said before, what’s exacerbated things for Ten Hag are his signings haven’t been good enough. Such signings should act as a spring board, but in this case they haven’t. Hence he’s under pressure. Utd can continue to tick over for the moment much like they did at times under Ole. But a couple more bad defeats could make things unsustainable.
As for the future, I think Man Utd need to appoint more charismatic managers with experience of managing big players, galvanising dressing rooms whilst still obviously having the tactical nous. They need to abandon these long term pipe dreams of developing a load of kids into playing total football.
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I know we’ve gone round and round with these manager debates Mikus but I just don’t think it’s as simple as you make out. Was Klopp any more used to managing big players than Ten Hag before he came to Liverpool? Far from it. Dare I say, Ange? Not him either. Pep is the only one really who was used to managing big name players.
Someone said Ancelotti the other day. He’s managing Real Madrid. Do people really expect us to go out and get Ancelotti? I’ve yet to hear another good suggestion for the fix to Utd’s problems that everyone seems to have. The checklist seems to be
– Charismatic
– Worked with big clubs
– Worked with big name players
– Won lots of trophies
– A good tactical mindThe only name I can come up with is Mourinho π. The point being, by all means point to other managers who excel in one of those but there’s absolutely nobody out there who is attainable and who ticks all the boxes. You simply have to make sacrifices and decide on priorities.
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But Ed, in recent years, there are times when the likes of Ancelotti, Tuchel, and Enriquez have been available. You’ll just have to wait now until the next one becomes available. As for Klopp, he was clearly a charismatic figure and great communicator who was bound to be successful here.
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As for Klopp, he was clearly a charismatic figure and great communicator who was bound to be successful here.
That’s kind of my point. He ticked that box but not all the others.
Ancelotti was very average at Napoli and didn’t set the world alight at Everton. Tuchel was sacked by Chelsea and is under pressure managing the only good side in a one team league. Enrique is doing OK but far from a dead cert to win the league title in another one team league with Nice breathing down his neck. All managers we should feel aggrieved to have missed out on. A year ago we were stupid for “missing out” on Conte who, incidentally, can’t get a job now. So, no, I’m not that fussed that we missed the boat on any of those 3 to be honest.
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Nice Views, Nice Views Ed π May I playfully ‘stipulate’ 7 0 lost 5 haha π I wanna laugh, but have these days the Blue Strip of Manchester to contend with.
I’m thinking, when will Liverpool just reach and return with the most League Titles? π
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Fair enough Nil π. Yeah, who knows. I think City will be too hard for any of us to catch for a good few years yet
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I bet you’d have done better under them though Ed than you are now and those managers had all won big trophies in the leagues they’d managed in. Either way, I think a lot of damage was done with the strategy after Ferguson left. Interesting you mention Mourinho. I actually remember thinking years ago even before Fergie left that Mourinho would have been a good successor to Ferguson. If he’d taken over *directly* from Ferguson and had the love from the club that they wanted him I honestly think he would have done quite well. When you did appoint him, you never really wanted him, and you’d lost some big players or players getting past their peak and you’d made some desperate signings imo. It was never going to be a great success under those circumstances.
Ever since Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal have all been trying to play the long term game, none of them have won a major trophy. And it can’t just be because of Pep. Arsenal were still a long way off City last year, maybe not in points, but mentally.
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Sweddy Eddy-Yeah,just admit it,mate,you have an anti-Spuds agenda.Come on,just be honest,simplesπππππππππππ
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I get where you’re coming from Mikus but have to disagree on the point that we’d be any better with any of those 3 in place currently albeit we’ll never know.
Agree fully re Mourinho though. He was my choice to take over from Ferguson and, like you, I think he’d have been a perfect choice back then.
Maverick, yeah massively anti Spurs, me π
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I mentioned earlier in relations with Manchester United, when you end up with injuries to key players, you end up relying on players who can hinder how you want to play.
Spurs have lost Madison and have lost 2 games in a row. Manchester City lost Rodri and lost a few. Manchester United have lost half a team and have not had a fully fit squad since the season started. People say it is a squad game, which is true, but your 2nd,3rd or 4th choice is never going to be as good as your 1st choice.
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Ancelotti does well with world class sides. Milan he had top quality players in every position and the same at Real Madrid. He falls in these positions at the right time too.
Would he do well with the current Milan side? He doesn’t have Kaka, Gattuso, Pirlo, Nesta, Maldini, Cafu.
Also remember his Madrid side got humiliated at City last season. If that happened at United, people would be calling for him to be sacked.At United the problems is not solely down to the manager. There isn’t a structure in place for a manager to succeed. There isn’t a sporting direction at the club.
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Utd have tried to get a manager that ticked all the boxes in the past and it didn’t work. Van Gaal and Mourinho I think we can all agree won lots, known to be tactically astute and bags of personality, but not right for Utd.
There’s no magic equation, sometimes it just feels right. Klopp was in tune with the supporters from the very first day and although we weren’t great at the start most fans could see the direction he was taking the team (one or two as always calling for his head but not the bulk of the support). He just clicked with the club, both his personality and his style of play. Fit like an arse on a bucket to quote one of his own!
Ten Hag is probably a good coach, he doesnt come across as an idiot or anything. I think the players bought during his time have been the problem. Players not only disruptive but poor output too like Sancho and Anthony, or good at the start but fading due to age as everyone anticipated like Erikson, Varane and Casemiro. Out of the signings and the hundreds of millions spent I think only that wee argentine lad in defence has been a success and he’s injured currently!
Looking at the strong Ajax connection on the players bought in you’d think Ten Hag has had a big influence and that I think has been Utds problem.
And making that winey little horrid bloke Fernandes captain wasn’t exactly a masterstroke either!
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Ajax lost so many big names who helped them be successful. The likes of Overmars, Van De Sar and Ten Hag all played a part getting that side back to the top in Dutch football. Look where they are now. This proves if you have the right people in place in the right areas at top clubs, you have a recipe for success.
At United, Ten Hag doesn’t have that luxury. You look at that side yesterday, how many players were his. 6 players were bought by the previous 3 manager. All 3 played a different brand of football to 1 another.
When Klopp won the CL on 2019, 9 of the players were bought by him. This rebuild is not going to take 15 months to fix. It will take years. You have to weed out the problems 1st and that is getting rid of toxic players.
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Yeah I think his transfer dealings will ultimately be his undoing Threeps.
Agree with you on the manager just sometimes being the right fit rather than there being a magic equation.
Thoughts on today’s games anyone? Liverpool should have too much for Brentford and surely City will be too good for this Chelsea side? Brighton and Villa should win easily.
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At United, Ten Hag doesnβt have that luxury. You look at that side yesterday, how many players were his. 6 players were bought by the previous 3 manager. All 3 played a different brand of football to 1 another.
The big problem with this theory CM is that he doesn’t even play the players he bought. He hasn’t had it easy with injuries but that shouldn’t excuse some of the rubbish we’ve served up this season. As I’ve said before, if the likes of Martinez are so pivotal to how we play (which he is) then it’s up to him to ensure we have a contingency plan in place.
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Thatβs it cm, itβs madness some people are talking about sacking ten hagg. Itβs so so early in his tenure. Patience is needed. Let him get his best 11 out consistently
Ed, Liverpool have been terrible last two games. Again a huge over reaction to 10 games when people say we will challenge city. Absolutely no chance.
Concerned today about the lack of physicality in midfield. Set plays a worry. I thibk it be a draw. Now they we can use injuries as an excuse lol we have 5 midfielders out today and no left back !
City will run away with this league
City
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You and that injuries point Sean from about 4 years ago π . It’s only a personal gripe of mine that big teams use injuries as an excuse when they have so much bigger budgets than the other teams.
Yeah, as you say, big over reaction from the first 10 games for Liverpool. Similarly a big over reaction from last season where fans were calling for Klopp’s head. Liverpool are decent enough at the moment and should get top 4 as most predicted but no chance of chasing City.
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