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Liverpool XI: Alisson, Alexander-Arnold, Matip, Van Dijk, Robertson, Henderson, Thiago, Fabinho, Salah, Mane, Diaz.
Man Utd XI: De Gea, Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Jones, Wan-Bissaka, Matic, Pogba, Fernandes, Elanga, Rashford.
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Strong from us.
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United are really poor. Sorry Ed. Rangnik?
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Need more goals – I’m not settling for just 2! ๐
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We’re terrible Adlab. Doesn’t help that we’re missing a few key players. Not sure the result would be any different if we weren’t though.
I just can’t blame this on Rangnick. He’s been dealt an awful hand taking over this lot mid-season.
Thiago is such a wonderful player. Reminds me of Scholes the way he just wants the ball all the time and picks out those passes others don’t see as well as just keeping things ticking over all the time.
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That’s more like it. 3!
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Honestly, I think Norwich would have given a better performance. What has happened? They are so behind. Ole was criticised as was Jose as was Van Haal as was Moyes. What’s the link?
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Adlab, I don’t think SAF has helped lingering around the club and being a ghost on the wall. But the root cause is the Glazers who have just run the club half heartedly in the background.
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9 goal cushion over Man City and temporarily Top of The Table. I’ll have some of that. Well Done Reds ๐
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About 5 of that squad as well as the manager know they’re not going to be there after the summer. To get anything against a side like Liverpool, you need everyone on side fighting for every ball.
There’s just no hunger or desire aside from the academy players. Massive clearout needed.
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Too easy to blame the Glazers. This year Utd spent a great deal of money and have done regularly. What else should the owners have done. I just believe it is an inevitable cycle. With my economics background (many years ago) almost everything is cyclical. For Utd this last decade is a down turn.
They had two decades of success. We have had one decade. Liverpool have had it so have Arsenal.
But tonight they were really really poor. One shot at goal I can recall?_____________________________
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You are top Liverpool lads!
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Danny Murphy and Co can wet themselves
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Have to spend money wisely though Adlab. As regards cycles, I think it’s more that if you have one manager there for a long long time like SAF, who inevitably had strong influence on things around him – when that manager then leaves, it leaves a vacuum in terms of both the manager and structure at the club. They also lost their CEO in David Gill at the same time as Sir Alex which didn’t help. So it was a big rebuilding job for the owners, who responded, in my opinion, half heartedly.
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Adlab, Utd have been severely mismanaged. The fact we’ve spent money is just them trying to protect their investment. They’ve let the club rot by not investing in a proper footballing structure at board level, instead hoping each new manager had a magic wand and could work with a mismatch of signings all from different managers. They’ve let the scouting team, the stadium, the training facilities all decline. On the surface, they appear to be spending but there’s no plan because they’re not interested in running a football club. They just want to make sure their cash cow keeps producing the goods.
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Great 1st half performance. Took the foot off the gas but some lovely football at times
Thiago mom for me.
1st goal utd conceded was just dreadful
Huge clear out as the Ed says. So many players need to go but you canโt get rid of so many at one time.
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The type of overhall Man U needs is going to be painful in the short term and I’m not sure the hierarchy (or fans for that matter) will allow that. But it needs to happen. If Man U fans think this is rock bottom, they are wrong. Look at Klopp’s rebuild of Liverpool, first season in charge they finished 8th. Man U would never allow that to happen and so the merry go round of mediocrity will go on. SAF was famously a game away from being sacked, but they persisted and it paid off big time. I said at the time, with Moyes, LVG and Mourinho that if you want genuine rebuilding, there needs to be pain first and you are starting from the ground up. None of those managers were allowed to work through that painful period, instead the whole “they lost the dressing room and fans” argument was thrown out there. Then, when they finally learned that lesson, they gave that freedom which none of the previous highly experienced managers were afforded to the most inexperienced and undeserving manager of the lot.
Moyes was the most mistreated of the lot. Inherited an absolutely awful squad of players, a squad that only SAF could do anything with. That squad had been neglected horrendously for the previous 2 seasons with next to no investment and refresh. His job was the hardest of all the managers since SAF and therefore needed much more time to rebuild. LVG was dire to watch, but again the man is a tried and tested boss and was never given a chance. Mourinho, Man U’s most successful manager since SAF (and arguably the most similar in style to him) at the first sign of prima donna player revolt was ousted. Now look where those prima donnas have taken this club. The players have been given too much control, say and influence and this is the price you pay, hence the need for a complete clean out.
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Indeed Foxy, as I said recently, the problem is the spending power the club still has which tempts them to keep reaching for a big name player if there isnโt a relatively quick turn around which keeps history repeating itself. Hence you can understand Ten Hag wants as much control as possible.
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You make some good points Foxy and echo a lot of what Mikus has said in the past. The thing with that though is that, even with hindsight, I wouldn’t have let any of those previous managers do that rebuild. Not because I don’t think it was needed but because I don’t think any of them had that in their skillset. Moyes was doomed from the day he joined. The job was just too big for him at that point in time. That’s not to say I disagree that the squad wasn’t good enough but he wasn’t a strong enough character to do that rebuild. LVG was a coach very much in decline as was Mourinho, both evidenced by their lack of top jobs after Utd.
In many ways, as Mikus has said before, Conte was probably a dream appointment for the board as he’s another quick fixer. Not really a “from the foundations up” squad rebuilder but someone who was capable of coming in and whipping the current lot into shape and plastering over cracks.
My only hope, and the reason I think they passed on Conte is that they’ve realised all of what you’ve both said. That rhus can’t be fixed quickly. That it needs an overhaul. Hence the appointment of someone like Ten Hag who has a clear philosophy and has rebuilt clubs entirely. Ten Hag had his CL semi-finalists torn apart and was able to completely rebuild a title winning squad.
Even with hindsight, I don’t for a minute wish we had any of the post-Ferguson managers back at the club. The mistake wasn’t getting rid of any of them or not giving them enough control, it was hiring them all in the first place. The only slight exception being Mourinho, who I think was the right manager, wrong time. He was a broken man by the time he joined us. He needed to take over from Ferguson IMO.
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It’s all about getting a manager in with the right philosophy for the club and then giving him time. And he if doesn’t work out get someone with an equally suitable philosophy and continue to build towards an identity.
Utd are a mismatch of previous manager buys thrown together with no actual defined style. A collection of sometimes wonderful individually skillful players but not a team signed to work together. There’s zero synergy to the team.
The Utd performance last night was the worst I’ve seen by either team in this fixture during my 40 odd years watching football. People say they are in a bad place but if they get the next big decision wrong or don’t give enough time it could get a lot worse. Huge rebuilding job required which could take a few years.
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