Weekend Football GW 28 – The Manchester Derby :-)

[Mikus LFC]

When the question was put to the pundits yesterday as to why shouldn’t Man Utd do an Arsenal and effectively decide to take a step backwards to try and go forwards by putting in a young manager and only buying young players, they replied that it’s because of the spending power and size of the club. And here is the big problem. Man Utd seem to on one hand want to be patient with the right man and build more slowly, but at the same time they want to spend big money on big names to try and stay at the top. It’s a contradiction. Their plan is contrary to their actions. So the mad thing is, Man Utd, as Ed alludes to, are going to have to wait until they start finishing outside the top 4 and become really average, before the culture can change and they stop trying to throw money and big names at it. As ever in life, you often have to wait for the crisis before things finally change. But boy has some money been blown over the last decade.

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[sean the sailor]

Good points mikuis. Say ten Hagg comes in the summer. If he finishes 8th in his first season, will he be given another few seasons to continue building?

Most clubs want instant results . I’m not a fan of arêta but he’s clearly been given time. Fa cup won only bought him so much time.

As soon as it got really bad for ole he was gone. He was actually doing a decent job when you look back but there was always questions because of his pedigree.

Fans was success

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[Adlab]

Mikus. Very well expressed. But will the fans tolerate a rebuild approach?

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[Adlab]

I now have watched the whole match. The second half was almost total dominance. Not surprised Pogba was substituted.
What I did see was total frustration in some United faces.

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[nine nine nine]

Ed.you’re right of course making an Interim Manager appointment is never easy half way into the season I just think United should have gone for a Manager rather than someone who had spent so much of his career in the last decade as a Sporting Director.

I’m not sure the Consultancy role was ever really part of United’s long term plan seemingly they had to offer Rangnick more than the Interim role to get him hence the Consultancy role whatever his terms may be in that role there seem to be a number of people at United who will overlap that role which could be problematical going forwards.

But if that was United’s plan it makes more sense but tbh I’m not sure it was.

There were other candidates for the Interim role at the time who were all 100% Managers to be fair it’s easy to be critical now because Rangnick doesn’t seem to have made too much difference. Personally I think United should have gone tried to get Poch and bought his contract out at PSG but that’s yesterday’s news and you can’t turn the clock back.

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[nine nine nine]

“Good points mikuis. Say ten Hagg comes in the summer. If he finishes 8th in his first season, will he be given another few seasons to continue building? Most clubs want instant results . ”

That’s the conundrum Sean. Conte would have almost certainly given United a couple of seasons of instant success but he’s a today Manager spends heavily in the transfer market and throws his toys out of the pram when he doesn’t get his own way. Whilst ten Hag will look to build something long term but will there be the patience amongst the fans and the hierarchy if they then outside the top 4 and win nothing?

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[Editor]

Sean, we gave Ole longer than any other top club would have. We were constantly reminded about the fact no other tob club would give him that time and I think that’s true. You have to remember there were absolutely no fears or concerns about Ole until we were absolutely battered by Liverpool and City at home. The Watford defeat then made that decision inevitable. We gave him plenty of time to prove we were on the right track under him. The mistake with Ole wasn’t getting rid of him. It was appointing him in the first place with a very mediocre CV.

Ed.you’re right of course making an Interim Manager appointment is never easy half way into the season I just think United should have gone for a Manager rather than someone who had spent so much of his career in the last decade as a Sporting Director.

Nine, again though, like who? The likes of Bruce and Allardyce were what was avaliable at the time. By all accounts Poch was sounded out but either he or PSG wouldn’t entertain a mid-season move.

Ten Hag could massively fail. It’s a huge risk but we simply have to roll the dice now.

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[Editor]

Mikus, I think you’re spot on. Look at Liverpool before Rodgers came in who then paved the way for Klopp. Konchesky, Carrol, Downing etc. They were awful. I think we need to become worse before getting better, like you say. Let the big egos leave. Arsenal the same, who are now seemingly making slow progress under Arteta. I’ve been one of Arteta’s biggest critics but they seem to be heading in the right direction.

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[nine nine nine]

Ed. Favre,Valverde and Rudi Garcia were all allegedly in the frame with Rangnick.

I agree with you re ten Hag he’s managed a leading Club but in a much lesser League and United would be a huge jump up for him but the options are limited and as you say you have to roll the dice.

Still think Poch is United’s best bet if he’s gettable.

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[Editor]

Ed. Favre,Valverde and Rudi Garcia were all allegedly in the frame with Rangnick.

Exactly Nine. Not one of those is in the frame come the summer so whichever temporary manager we’d have taken of those available would have had fans questioning their credentials. Rangnick is someone Utd have had an eye on (for a director role) for a number of years so at least with him, it’s someone they know shares a vision of what direction they want to take the club in. His lack of first line coaching in recent years is not ideal but he was probably the best available of a bad bunch.

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[nine nine nine]

Ed.they were all candidates for the interim role only.

I’m not sure where Rangnick will fit in at United come the Summer it seems like there will be a lot of potential overlap there?

Still could be worse you could be ownerless.😊

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[Adlab]

I believe that they are after Poch but I reckon he will go to Spain. The real problem is that there is nobody like SAF.
It is likely to be the same for us when Pep goes and for Liverpool when Klopp goes. Nearly impossible to replace.

Will Spurs win tonight?

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[sean the sailor]

But Ed, olé wasn’t actually doing to bad chum. Semi finals, finals, cl places etc but as soon as it got really bad he was gone. The fans were constantly divided by him after a few months. So in one’s first full season, do you think utd would have stuck with him if they finished 8th?

My point is, utd need a full rebuild and the coach needs time that means a complete write off of 18/24 months. Your issue with conte is that he will leave the club in a mess but isn’t it in a right mess ten years now? Is success worth a fall out in 3 years? Moyes wasn’t given time.

Ole didn’t leave the club in a good state. Over 500 million spent and you need about 6 players. I wouldn’t write conte off at spurs yet. Only there 4 months. Absolutely terrible squad.

He takes no shite and utd need a full clear out of players who simply don’t know what it means to play for utd. Pogba comes straight back in. He’s a disgrace. At least Fred tries. Time and time again Pogba comes back in. Club has no balls. Need someone in there to rule with an iron fist and conte was that man in my opinion.

Time will tell. Still early days for conte but ten hagg or poch won’t change utds fortunes in my opinion.

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[sean the sailor]

Adlab, we are absolutely screwed when jurgen goes. It be a sad sad day for us fans. Just need to enjoy the last two and a half seasons as I really believe he be gone by 2024

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[Nike19]

Everton in freefall.

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[nine nine nine]

Everton have been poor an Og and Goalkeeping error too. 4-0 now almost straight from the ko very damaging defeat for Everton which also hits their goal difference.

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[nine nine nine]

Harry back amongst the goals again with a 5th. Imagine where City would be now had they managed to sign him.

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[Editor]

Sean, your first and 3rd paragraphs completely contradict each other. Did he waste 500mil and leave an awful squad or was he doing a good job? Which one was it? Of course, Utd wouldn’t accept 8th from anyone. Nor should they. You get time as a Utd manager. No other club would give Ole 3 plus years. He was doing an ok job but ok is not good enough. Also, you get time if you deserve time. Either by showing progress in the team or alternatively, if you’ve done something in the game previously to show you are a capable manager. Ole had done neither.

Conte is and always will be a big no from me. Don’t want him anywhere near the club. He’s Mourinho 2.0. His outbursts this season after awful spurs performances have been embarrassing.

Feel for Everton. They keep making terrible manager appointments. Lampard another one who is clearly not up to the job.

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[sean the sailor]

Ed, my point was, you said he was given time…so why would they sack him if he was doing ok? He got sacked for a bad few weeks if that makes sense. So in 3 years after his first real terrible spell he was sacked.

But how will you get time , if you say you be sacked if you finish 8th in a rebuilding season??? So the manager will not be given time. Rodger’s finished 7th in his first season at Liverpool. That’s being given time.

Moyes was sacked after 9 months. Jose a few months after signing a new deal.

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[sean the sailor]

“Sean, we gave Ole longer than any other top club would have. We were constantly reminded about the fact no other tob club would give him that time and I think that’s true. You have to remember there were absolutely no fears or concerns about Ole until we were absolutely battered by Liverpool and City at home”
but Ed are you not contradicting yourself here aswell? You say there was no real issue with him until the Liverpool ,city defeats etc so why would people constantly remind you that no other club would give him time when you say there was absolutely no fears about him? That’s a bit confusing to be honest 😂

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