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Hard to disagree with any of that Nine. I suspect the contract includes pretty favourable (for Utd) get out clauses which prevent big payouts. Ole wasn’t in a strong enough position to negotiate anything else really. It would be yet another disaster if that proved to not be the case.
No idea where we go from here but I maintain that I don’t think anything will happen yet regarding Ole which is, frankly, laughable. No other big club would keep Ole before yesterday. To keep him even after yesterday is beyond comprehension.
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And then there was 3. I think we can rule Utd out of the title challenge now, one I am sure many thought would be strong after spending so much in the summer.
I’m sure you’ve all seen the damning stats. Utd, worst tackles won in the league, most errors leading to goals, 4th worst defensive record. Not sure on the running stat but did read that Ronaldo has ran the least per game of any striker in the league.
It’s going to be a very tight and interesting title race between City, Chelsea and Liverpool. All 3 have distinct styles but one thing in common is that they all work hard.
Ronaldo, Rashford and Fernandes are lazy and offer nothing to the defensive side of things. A team can have one of these players easily maybe even two depending on the opposition, but the rest of the team needs to be set up to compensate.
Varane I think will be a good buy, Sancho is a strange one as he looks a shadow of the player in Germany but Ronaldo was a mistake. I feel for Cavani who does work hard and Utd would be better off playing him and benching Ronaldo.
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I think you’re right Ed I don’t see anything immediate happening with Ole and rightly or wrongly I think he will probably be given until January/the end of the season.
Ultimately though I think it’s inevitable that he will go because as nice a guy as he is I just don’t think he’s up to the task at United his CV shouts that out and it was only the interim role that led United to where they ended up they would have never appointed Ole permanently prior to that.
Be interesting to see what happens at Spurs on Saturday Ole certainly can’t continue losing games with United playing so poorly and hope to survive massive pressure on him and the players now.
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But sancho was part of a team at dortmund. He had relationships on the field with full back and haaland, their movements were connected and complimented each other. Ole throws him on left wing and expects the same its a bit silly. If you invest in a played like that the team needs to be adjusted to accommodate him but instead he finds himself keeping van de beek company
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I think it’s pointless at this stage to single out players as they’re clearly being led by a manager who is incapable. I saw someone else point out on Twitter about the likes of Jorginho, Rudiger and Christensen and how they were massively slated and out of favour under Lampard only to be rejuvenated under Tuchel.
Like Lampard, Ole was given a job far too big for him and, like Lampard, showed plenty of promise early on only to be massively found out. The difference being that Chelsea are ruthless and not afraid to give an underperforming manager the chop. As I’ve said before though, I think Chelsea’s impressive board setup makes that an easier decision. Chelsea can give their head coach the chop and things carry on as before as they’re so well set up. Then they just bring a new guy in and carry on. Utd give far too much control to the manager, naively thinking they can recreate what Ferguson (and to a degree Wenger) did so well. It places so much emphasis on the manager being the absolutely perfect choice as it becomes such a big decision to move the manager on knowing everything else comes crashing down with it.
Either keep doing what we’re doing and hope someone like Zidane can get the best out of the players we have or completely transform the club from top to bottom and bring in the likes of Van Der Sar (to run the football side of things at board level) and Ten Hag to be head coach. If Ten Hag fails, fine, we try someone else but we retain footballing continuity by having VDS running things away from the training ground. None of this will happen though and things will likely get worse before they get better. The only silver lining in all this is that we have a much better squad than any of Ferguson, Mourinho, Moyes or LVG left the next person.
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Not sure if your response was to me but I was not signalling out individuals but more how they are utilised and that is down to the manager and his team. Utd can be successful with Ronaldo up top but it needs to be carefully managed with compromises made elsewhere. But putting him in with Fernandes, Pogba and Rashford is going to really put a strain on the rest of the team.
Utd on paper have a very good squad, easily in the top 4. As you said Ed whoever takes over will inherit some very good players. I think they need to reduce the number of “luxury” players starting especially versus the top sides and the transfer priority should be a world class DM, possibly even changing to 433. And run a lot more in training!
I agree with what you said about van der Sar. I think Utd need a clear vision and continuity even when the manager changes. Might take a one or two more manger changes however to reap the rewards.
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It totally is the manager and the players are pretty much all top class in the first team fur utd. Even benched players like sancho
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I think the Spurs United game will be definning for both managers though I believe Nuno has a far less talented squad to work with. I don’t think Solsjkaer is selecting the side incorrectly either but they for some reason are not motivated.
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Not at all Threeps (re being a direct responseto yourself). I thought you made some good points about the overload of luxury players. I’ve just generally read a lot about this or that player being the problem when I think it’s much bigger than that.
For instance, I’m not at all concerned about Sancho. He had a slow start to last season too and is a young player completely new to this league.
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Well this to me is confirmation that he is staying in the job for now, at least. There’s no way that’s allowed to be posted prior to him being sacked. Good news for Spurs and City fans!
Ole is setting his sights on United's next three games in a bid to fight back.#MUFC
— Manchester United (@ManUtd) October 25, 2021
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Jesus christ. That must be so frustrating.
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Lucky…I agree with what you say about managers….but what if he sets them up right for the game and the players do something different…he has no control over that
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I think Carragher sums up where the board are…
๐ฃ "They're terrified to make a change… Manchester United need a better manager"@Carra23 discusses Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's future following Man Utd's 5-0 defeat to Liverpool at Old Trafford and what the #MUFC board might do next… pic.twitter.com/FbccyBv9ZV
— Sky Sports Premier League (@SkySportsPL) October 24, 2021
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One thing for sure, it will make the Utd v City game more than interesting in 2 weeks
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No way ole is in charge in 2 weeks.
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Would we all be able to sort of agree that Ole’s going through a different phase of his managerial career with United and this is centered around learning and development of his journey. He has Mickey Phelan who is highly experienced in terms of knowing Manchester United inside out, but trying to step up to the next level so far hasn’t been easy.
He needs I think a top number 2. Good call on Cavani. I like the player largely because of his attitude and application. Some of those players simply are not doing it. They are sulking a little bit. You have to have discipline at the back and somebody who will stick to their task for 90 minutes. They should have perhaps selected Bailly and Matic promoting stability and discipline.
They need to figure out a proper starting 11 to suit the system they want to play and be able to get the best out of each other.
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LuckyโฆI agree with what you say about managersโฆ.but what if he sets them up right for the game and the players do something differentโฆhe has no control over that
Then that’s on him too Brian. Either he’s not conveying his message well enough or they don’t respond to his instructions. Choose either and they point to the same result: the manager is incapable of getting enough out of these players.
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Foden really is on Fire at the moment. If he plays and is surrounded by Gundogen and Silva, United will be cut-open.
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Ya, agreed Ed. Would the top managers of the PL have a problem getting something out of these players? I don’t think so. They’d get them working but they just don’t believe in Ole and for good reason.
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