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The weather was horrible yesterday,it wasnt easy to play @ all.
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Re KDB not turning up…..how riddiculous is that, obviously suggested by somebody that knows little about football. In all the games I have watched him he always puts in 100%, no matter what team he is against and have yet to see him have a bad game, maybe below par on some but in general an absolute gem to watch. ANY top team, anywhere would want him. RM/Barca could not afford him and he is settled in Manchester, despite the rain In short,interesting to note the writer of the message does not specify which big games he refers to…probably one of these football mags looking for something towrite about
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Nike…just to be sure I was watching same game. Allison was sent the wrong way, a parry did not come into it, KDB missed. Sterling would not have come into play.These things happen. Draw was a fair result in very difficult conditions, in fact I was a bit surprised all the defenders were not on their backsides most times
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I still think a good display in horrible conditions by the two best teams.
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G’day all, hope everyone is doing well.
Just had a read and thought I’d chuck my 2 cents worth in. KDB not turning up for big games? IMO & a lot of others as well, he is close to the best player in the EPL and you don’t get people saying that if you don’t turn up in bug games. I’d certainly love to have him at Liverpool for big games.
I just can’t enjoy the football without crowds and not being biased I do believe it effects Liverpool a bit more than most.
I think it was G. NEVILLE that said Liverpool and city arent as strong as last season & unfortunately I have to agree with him ( that said I’m only watching highlights and reading match reports). chelsea seem to be going well as do spurs and Leicester but it’ll be a while before we can see who is the real deal.
Hopefully a vaccine for corona not to far away and we can get back to normality. Summer here in Oz and the ocean is where I belong so woohoo for that.
Anyhow just a quick check in, stay safe all and up the reds._____________________________
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I’m glad the weather conditions have been acknowledged. Trying to pass the ball lags and at extra pace, the ball is more trickier to control. Fluidity was cut short because of the continuous heavy rain.
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Brian/adlab…ye it was a forum I read the comments. Don’t agree with them but just toothy it was interesting to hear real fans like yourself etc thoughts
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I also don’t see the KDB not turning up for big games TBH. He’s definitely not been as devastating against us as he is to others but our fixtures have been incredibly competitive now for years, with Klopp always looking to nullify/bi-pass Man City’s midfield as much as possible. Just because other teams aren’t equipped to manage it is no negative mark against KDB. He still assisted their goal yesterday, so kinda weird to hear people say this but we’ve all got controversial opinions.
Good to hear from you Oz but I won’t lie, I’m a little jealous of your fun in the sun/sea talk. If you wouldn’t mind keeping that to a minimum 😛 jk
Liverpool are definitely affected by the lack of an Anfield and it’s to be expected but I don’t think it’ll be too much of an issue. Our defence is definitely improving, Matip was brilliant against City but as you know, we’re just getting injuries every damn game now… That said, quality rises to th etop and I don’t think it’ll stop us, unless things get worse.
I will say one thing though lads, I dunno about ye but I’ve really had it with the lower PL sides dictating how the PL is going to be run. This 3 subs thing is nothing but selfishness from the teams at risk from relegation. They keep repeating that the big sides just want to gain an advantage but it’s them who’s gaining one by voting against what really only is perfect bloody sense.
It’s time the PL stepped in and said to hell with your trying to gain an advantage, you’re risking the fitness and health of all PL players with this crap and they should just over-rule them and implement 5 subs. Are they actually telling us that they don’t have some youth players who they might want to give some time late on to? I mean, they are telling us exactly this and well, TOO BAD. This isnt like time wasting, there’s no room for a tactical vote here, you’re putting people at risk in these trying times. I’ve really had it up to here with the current PL setup and think it is time for the big sides to make a proper powerplay. If they really want to carry on with this shit then we should seriously consider making a move away from the feckers. That’ll put them in line where they fecking belong.
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Mak, Boo hoo, there’s 20 teams in the Premier League, all play 38 games, all have equal status……Pagan
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Also Mak, it’s not the Premier League that’s putting your players at risk, it’s Klopp, he’s the one making the individuals play, he could use all the players at his disposal and rotate his squad, which is probably larger than most.
Are you actually telling us that you don’t have some youth players who you might want to give some time late on to? I mean, you are telling us exactly this and well, TOO BAD
Unfortunately Mak, your whole reasoning is a double edged sword…..Pagan
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With no pre season and a condensed season this season retaining the 5 substitutes ruling made sense imo particularly as so many players are now going down with soft tissue injuries.
All of the major Leagues in Europe have continued with 5 substitutes as have the the UEFA Club competitions.
The PL is a 20 team League and although personally I would prefer we were working with 5 substitutes this season every Club has a vote and there is no PL without the teams outside of the top 6.
As I understand it 5 substitutes is due to be discussed again at the next PL meeting shortly and those Clubs that voted against it might have a change of heart because these injuries don’t just effect the top 6 Clubs although they are more vulnerable given the added games their players play in Europe and internationally . We’ll have to wait and see whether anything changes.
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Mak, I’m with Pagan on this one. Im not a fan of more than three subs. Ive been regularly crying into my milk for years about Chelsea and not blooding youth who, on league evidence with other clubs, are more than capable of being very good premier league players. It wasnt until last season we’ve seen the impact our youth set up has had. Looking forward to seeing Gilmore and Kante in our midfield for example.
I also think about how the intensity of games drops off at international level when more than 3 subs are used, and i wasnt entirely comfortable with it in project restart. (it had merits given the summer conditions and break in season so thought it was a good move).
There is a massive issue, as you rightly pointed out, on player health and fitness… It needs to be addressed but i think five subs is a band aid to a bigger problem.
The league really, really needs to address with the FA, Broadcasters and further up the food chain with FIFA and UEFA its scheduling and fixture pile ups. The Euros have been delayed by a year, the world cup follows the year after mid season so the league will have to restart early and were only really just beginning this season which could still be affected by Covid. ie the leagues or champions league and Europa league could all be delayed.
Clubs could scale back pre seasons, international friendlies probably need to be reduced but you could have international training weekends etc, and clubs need to work out personnel for cup games etc.
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Pep and Klopp have requested for this change:
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I’m all for it. The Big Teams have more competitions to deal with and playing the game at ultra pace, players are burnt out and also a risk of injuries.
Gives the opportunity too to utilize the squad and give game time to other players.
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I would prefer 7 subs we living in a different social and sports dimension now where all sort of changes are taking place in this new world order also as the popation grows so do aspiring young football players but there are no new clubs. I can even see in the near future where all 11 players will or could be subbed such as in certain other sports.
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Prem squads can have up to 25 players plus youth players, if you can’t play all the games you have with that number it would suggest you’re carrying a lot of dead wood.
I’ll repeat what I said, it’s up to the manager to utilise his squad, if a manager is overplaying certain players and putting them at risk, that’s his choice…..Pagan
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Blaze, 5 would be about right for me, maybe 6.
I agree about youth Players, Pagan but ultimately, it’s about trying to play your strongest 11 on the pitch that will deliver you results. It’s difficult for teams when they have multiple players out. Some injuries to players are long term.
It’s then more about quality than quantity in relation to minutes. Some players are suited to being impact subs.
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Nil, it’s not just about youth players it’s about your squad, your squads there to cover injuries and fatigue. If you have 25 players in your squad (that’s without youth players) and you can’t manage, then there’s something wrong with your squad composition.
It’s a managers job (in all walks of life) to make sure he has the manpower available to do the job he needs doing, that includes planning for sickness and fatigue, football managers are lucky, they don’t have to include leave in their job.
The “lower” clubs don’t have as many matches as they’re not in European competitions, but then they don’t have the money from those competitions to play world class players to sit on their arses, I would have a bit of sympathy if you were expected to play more matches with no extra finance, but you’re not, so Klopp needs to do what managers should do, manage not whinge…..Pagan
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Some good arguments for and against 5 substitutes guys.
Let’s see whether there’s a change of heart in the PL. West Ham originally voted against it but David Moyes has now changed his mind however it will require 14 PL Clubs to vote in favour of the 5 substitute rule in any future meeting to change things around this season.
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Strangely enough a few weeks ago I read can’t remember which newsmedia it was that the rule will be you cannot play the same player in consecutive matches, so your next game must have 11 different players starting to your previous game, it has all to do with population growth in social and sporting fields and leveling the opportunities.
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