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I don’t think this is just about new players not settling, the team doesn’t look set right especially while defending. That comes from what they do on the training pitch and Ten Hag holds responsibility.
A lot is spoken about pressing these days and I think it was Danny Murphy who was saying its not just about energy and work rate, it about team cohesion and know who is doing what and how each player should then react.
That was silly from spurs. Yes you can win, but you’re not supposed to batter them and get him sacked! We can only hope (said it before) that the love between ineos and Southgate is true.
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Haha, I think that might be a lot worse for them 3p’s – be careful what they wish for! π
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Ye i agree threeps, you look at that utd team in paper yday and it looks strong but the players dont know what to do. Thats on tye manager. Twice in 3 days someone has ran through the middle very easily. Some good players there but its just not happening
I think ineos have handled this terribly. They wanted eth out and looked for a new manager. They couldnt get one so give eth a new contract and millions to spend. Now they have to support him or they will look even more ridiculous.
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As for appointing Ten Hag in the first place, it was reported that Spurs turned him down in 2021 over concerns about language and charisma. That seemed to have been the right call. Can see Ten Hag going back to the Dutch league.
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You replace Ten Hag name with Ole, Jose, Van Gaal and Moyes and the same thing has already been said.
I have heard how there’s been a lack of identity for 10 years now. You watch Van Gaal for the Netherlands and then Ragnick for Austria, they clearly had or have a identity. Why is it difficult to instill this at United?
Ten Hag was known as a brilliant tactician at Ajax. Some key players are reluctant to adapt or put the work in. Ten Hag didn’t say to his players let Van De Ven run through you like that and not to mark Johnson? That is down to the players!
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It is a fine line between blaming the manager and blaming the players…
Last week, Angie was getting some greif in the fish-wrappings, despite Spurs putting up some fairly decent numbers in all their games so far this season (except for the one that counts!)… just a matter of missing the chances we created which, at the end of the day, Angie can’t do from the touchline…
With ETH, it’s either “piss-poor” instructions or simply the players don’t care anymore.
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Are these not hia players though cm mate?
616m spent. 86m on anthony , alarm bells should have rang minute utd paid that for him. The worst expensive signing of the pl era. Utd look like a team that hasnt been coached right at all? He keeps picking rashford
Ive never seen a manager sign so many of his former players
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Most are his players. Rashford isn’t and started the mess on Sunday by overrunning and then not tracking back, Dalot isn’t and didn’t track Johnson, or rather only bothered to track him until he decided it was too much bother. Garnacho isn’t his player either and he can’t cross a ball and wants to shoot. Our wingers offer nothing and none of them are his players. Mainoo too, goes walkabout and can’t play in a double pivot.
He has spent massively and needs to be doing better, Zirkzee is a waste of money, Anthony isn’t worth talking about.
He needs to get the wingers to play for the team. I don’t know why we go for these out and out wingers who will not work for the team. There have been loads of great, hard working wingers in the PL who want to move to bigger clubs and rather than buy two of those for Β£40m each we brought Anthony. And the same with Sancho.
I like Mazraoui, I think he will be a decent player for us. I think Ugarte will settle when he has more help in front of him. Be interesting to see Yoro play, he has the pace to make a difference. But it comes from the front, we didn’t press high, didn’t press at all, put no pressure on anyone at all and if the ball was lost we didn’t track back. There is not one CB pairing or holding player in the PL who will look good if no one bothers to help them out.
Even if ETH is telling players not to bother, surely they would know they should at least try?
It just has to be the players.
Villa will be all over us at the weekend and that will be the end of the manager and then the cycle will start all over until we bring in players who can press and a CM to sit with Ugarte.
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Hereβs what should happen when a manager first comes in. They look what theyβve got and endeavour to get the best out of them and motivate them. If over time some players arenβt pulling their weight, itβs up to the manager to either freeze them out or move them on. This can be helped when the manager brings in better players to replace the ones not delivering.
It strikes me Ten Hag has pretty much failed on every count, from motivating the players, to moving players on, and to bringing better players in.
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Fair points alfie but he keeps starting rashford. There is no cohesion to the press. It looks the team dont know what their role is but what can eth do about dalot not caring to run with brennan? Pure laziness on his part.
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It took Ferguson 6 years to get the squad he needed to compete. Things are never fixed overnight.
How many managers have Manchester United been through before people realise the manager is never always at fault.
You replace Rashford with Salah, Bruno with De Bruyne, Dalot with Walker, then you will see a different United. Asides from quality, you’re replacing 3 players with on pitch leaders.
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CM, itβs a completely different culture to the late 1980s. Man Utd can now spend big every season and attract top players if they want to. But they havenβt done this well at all. Instead Ten Hag has brought in players that just havenβt been up to it. Ten Hag clearly lacks the communication skills to motivate this team and canβt seem to get them playing with an identity or pattern. If he sees players not pulling their weight, why hasnβt he moved them on? Ferguson moved players on for a lot less than that.
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Ye good points cm. They have tried every kind of manager now. What do you think isthe fix? Stick with eth or get another manager who will want to build his own teamand you start again?
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Here’s a theory and I’ll be putting my tin-hat on…
Perhaps YooUtd’s problem is simply the idea of the notion that they’re still the YooUtd from Fergie’s years, a communual suffering from delusions of granduer, the very basic principle that they’re still in the Top2 clubs in England and if they don’t win the title then they’ll finish 2nd…
They haven’t been close to being in the Top2 teams for a decade or so now, they’ve been overtaken by quite a few clubs, but somehow still expect to treated like royalty or something.
Long gone are the days when the worlds best players would be lining up to sign for YooUtd, rememeber the days when they used to poach everybody else players to stay top of the tree?? Long gone…
Sure, they are still a big club, sure, they’ve got a lot of money to burn, but their ego’s are writing checks their players can’t cash… and it doesn’t help having all their former players all over the media giving it all the “but we’re YooUtd” crap left right and center…
YooUtd have completely lost the “fear” they used to have, when teams would be worried to play against them, now everybody fancies their chances.
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I am not sure Sean.
I said over the summer United are buying players who are surplus to requirements to fix the on the pitch problems.
It was just worrying at the time, whilst some United fans thought we had a good window.
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Banjo,
Think the notion is they spent a fortune and no where near where they should be considering what they have spent._____________________________
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Just having a break from watching the war, most top clubs bring in players we all familiar with or at least players we heard off before, I don’t know if it’s my general lack of football knowledge but the players Ten Hag brought in are unknown to me which I found somewhat surprising.
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CM… have to admit the money you’ve spunked on the players you’ve spunked it on is mindboggling… I can’t think of one of them who’s even been remotely close to worth it…
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