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Ten Hag is a myth Ed!
Can’t get my head around martinez being brought in to play centre back in back 2. Outside centre back in a 3 maybe and DM maybe but paired with maguire in a 2 is mental imo, then the guy holding in front of them is Erikson! Don’t even think Bielsa would be that naive.
I feel for ten hag in that like you say he will become another fall guy more than likely. But he could make things worse for you also.
His selections in next few games are huge and he needs to show some adaptation and a bit of pragmatism.
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I think utd will beat Liverpool Monday
You heard it here first
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As a neutral, it’s impossible to lose next Monday, going to be laughing whatever happens… π
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I think a problem at Utd is the owners just seem to be reacting to appease the fans – I think from signing Ronaldo, appointing Ole full time, buying big name players in previous years, appointing Ten Hag now – it all seems to follow the fans wishes but with little or no depth to how they plan to make it all work. Indeed, the club hasn’t won a trophy for 5 years now, so these appointments in recent years to install a more long term man seem to be making things worse for the club. Most managers in the modern game now only last 2-3 seasons at best, with managers like Klopp & Guardiola being exceptions. So there’s no direction – when Ole was on his last legs last season, the club didn’t have a clue what to do. To chop and change suddenly for someone like Conte was not going to happen because there was too much inertia in setting themselves up down a path of a longer term appointment. Meanwhile the clubs just seems to keep blowing money in the transfer market. It’s like watching a tragedy play out year on year.
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Ten Hag is a myth Ed!
Guy’s had 2 games Lucky π. 2 games! Let’s hang fire with either hailing him the messiah or calling him a myth. He may well fail and he may fail regardless of structure or signings or whatever else but it’s far too early to start judging him.
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United’s biggest problem is trying to live up to the success of SAF. That’s nearly impossible.
Some fans had known nothing other than success. Imo the problem is not the owners but those running the club day to day.
City will have some fans in their early twenties who have had nothing but success with no understanding of the bad years.
In retrospect Jose was correct with his appraisal of the club as indeed was Ragnick but I’m not sure anybody was , listening.
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Ed, you’re right Ten Hag needs time. United need for him to work out but I’m not sure managing in the Dutch League gives him the level of experience he needs to manage United time will tell a win v Liverpool would be a step in the right direction though.
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Imo the problem is not the owners but those running the club day to day.
Sure Adlab, but who appoints these people? Failure to get the right people in and ultimately preventing these people from making footballing decisions, for fear of commercial losses (eg Ronaldo), makes them the problem which ever way you put it. Failure to invest in the stadium and infrastructure, meaning young players see better prospects at other local clubs is also on them.
United need for him to work out but Iβm not sure managing in the Dutch League gives him the level of experience he needs to manage United
Far from a guarantee he’ll be a success, that’s for sure Nine. His record and playing style in the CL against clubs with much bigger budgets is no doubt as much a factor in the decision to bring him in. There was no outstanding candidate. Each one had big question marks so there’s always a degree of risk. For all the shouts of “they should have got Conte”, people are already forgetting his outbursts last season after not getting it all his way and I thought Spurs were again poor against Chelsea. Conte would have already walked by now anyway considering the lack of investment so far, so it’s a moot point, the Conte one.
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The problem for Utd seems to be they are even easier to play against than last season with the space at the back. Is Ten Hag suddenly going to change for next week’s game after coaching so much playing out from the back? Hard to see. It’s very hard not to see Poch coming in at some point this season – he’s got premier league experience and will fit in with the longer term strategy – he’d also probably have bought in more premier league ready players. I think Ten Hag is a pipe dream the club has got caught up in.
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Ed, was just joking with the myth bit obviously just a call back to your bielsa posts last year.
It’s certainly too early to judge, but the way he set you up against Brentford did remind me of the way bielsa or sarri would go about it. Didn’t seem very logical.
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P.s, if he keeps you in the prem for one year I will concede he is as good as bielsa Ed! π€£
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Ed.I do agree that the owners are responsible for the appointments, no question.
But from my experience of large businesses somebody must be advising the owners as to who should be appointed.
Take City’s structure. The owner very rarely attends…similar. BUT we have a top man as Chairman and very good director of football.
I suggest this is where United fall short. Above all they need a top director of football.
Not Giggs though…only joking.
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You can question one or two things that ten hagg has done already but him or Martinez cannot be judged at all yet.
Martinez height might be an issue but letβs just wait and see. Both need lots of time and ten hagg needs his own players.
The biggest issue is utd are still doing the exact same things they have been doing for years. Just no plan from the top whatsoever.
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Ed, was just joking with the myth bit obviously just a call back to your bielsa posts last year.
Fair point Lucky. I completely stand by that Bielsa point! If we’re still being torn apart years after him starting with us (assuming he’s there) like Bielsa did at Leeds, then I’d agree. Bielsa teams were an absolute dream to play against long after he was appointed at Leeds.
His goal difference for Ajax last season was incredible which suggests he knows what he’s doing when it comes to not only making his sides hard to beat, but also his sides scoring a lot of goals.
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Cucurella says his scalp was so sore from the way his hair was pulled he couldn’t sleep Sunday night, eventually he was forced to take a pain killer .
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It strikes me everyone on here seems to agree about United….no proper plan
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Completely agree Adlab re City’s structure. They’ve really got it right. I don’t like state ownership or the idea of sportswashing but nobody can deny City are making all the right decisions for a sustainable future.
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I wouldn’t say City are making all the right decisions, I would say City can afford to make every decision you can think off (buy established players, buy young players, set up youth teams etc…) and those that don’t work get swept under the carpet along with their owners dodgy human rights record.
Their are many different ways to make/build a team, and when you can afford to be generous with every single one of them at the same time, you’re pretty much guaranteed success, aren’t you?
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I mean, they certainly have a huge advantage when it comes to their ability to make the right decisions. Bottomless pockets certainly make becoming financially sustainable more achievable. But money and success is not a linear correlation. Many clubs, mine included, have shown that having money alone isn’t enough.
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I do think ten hag is a very good coach Ed and his ajax team played very good football.
Although bielsa’s Leeds played great stuff too in the championship at least, it was only in the premier league did their strategy backfire as they were not good enough relative to the Premier league level to get away with playing the way they did. Where I always agreed with you on Bielsa is that he didn’t adapt when in the Premier League and a truly great coach could and would.
I think ten hag has a similar problem. His philosophy and set up did very well with a team that was very strong relative to its opposition domestically full of players perfectly suitrd to playing that way. Now he has a squad that is not as superior to the competition as his ajax team was, and not many players suited to play the way he wants, the strategy will surely need adapting. Its obviously early and time will tell, it just feels a lot like de boer at Palace.
If he is a great coach he surely will adapt though, if not he could likely make things worse.
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