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Moos-

United on the right side should have gone for Draxler, pacey winger who can play anywhere up top. He is better than any player they have got at right wing, is a natural there and would have cost between 40-50m in todays market. Paid whatever Spurs wanted for Toby. Would have instantly walked in to the side too. For the right back position, gone for someone like Sidibe. Would have cost about £40-50m too.

De Gea, Sidibe, Bailly, Toby, Shaw, Matic, Pogba, Fred, Sanchez, Draxler, Lukaku all of sudden looks a lot better than the current crop with Valencia, Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Lindelof and a few others. You also remove almost every dross Van Gaal bought and that is the difference a extra £150m makes in terms of quality of a side.

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Paxton

I am not denying Pep has spent well, but some signings have been made to look good because of the quality he already had there. Replace De Bruyne with Herrera, replace Fernandinho with Carrick, replace Aguero with Rooney, replace Silva with Mata, would him and his signings have the same effect? These are the players both managers walked in on.

Jose has done well with the reources he has had, this side needs a little tweaking. Difference is Pep was allowed to tweak his side and make it better. Jose has had a similar chance, but no where to the same level as Pep.

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[Anonymous]

Mata was a great player but Maureen turned him into a worst player even before Maureen came to United Mata was doing well.

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[Big Jim]

Have to agree with Paxton. Mouriniho’ s signings have not improved the first team at United, for reasons that are unknown as clearly some are very good players.

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[nine nine nine]

No Manager gets everything right in the transfer market but Guardiola has bought much much better than Mourinho and Guardiola inherited a much better squad than Mourinho did too.

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[nine nine nine]

The last three newly appointed Chelsea managers to start the season with back-to-back wins went on to win the title. Antonio Conte, Jose Mourinho and Carlo Ancelotti. Mourinho did it in his first spell there, too! Be afraid City and Liverpool be very very afraid. Lol! ???

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Moos

One of the problems with Mata at United is that he has been shoved and played in position he has never played in before after he arrived. Mata at Chelsea was more of a number 10 or played on the left side who enjoyed cutting in. Jose sold him because he did not like his work rate off the ball. United came calling and everyone thought he would play the number 10 role, yet every manager has played him out on the right. He is not suited to that role.

Some are saying that Jose is poor with attacking players when that is not true. Hazard scored 19 goals under Jose, that is the most he has ever done and Costa and Willian did well under him. Real Madrid had a record breaking season in 2012 under Jose, where they broke the points total in 1 season and scored 121 goals. Diego Milito, Sniejder had their best ever seasons under Jose when he was at Inter. Look at how he improved the likes of Drogba, Lampard, Robben ans Duff.

Lukaku scored 27 goals last season, that is his best so far. Lingard has improved under Jose. Yes there have been some poor performances too by some.

When people ask if roles were reversed and Pep took over United and Jose took over City, would there be anything different. With the exception of style of play, I would still say Jose would have probably won the league with that City side and Pep would still be developing this United side. I believe people are underestimating the dross Van Gaal bought and the work needed to be done at United. There is no chance Pep would have been given £280m to spend in one season at United. The most United have spent in 1 season post Ferguson has been £149m. Pep spent £130m than Jose last season. Like I said that is not peanuts, that is good as a good summer transfer window at United.

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[sean the sailor]

Cm, Sanchez is a right winger first and foremost. He played there with udinese and Barca and started there for aresnal before switching to the left

Why not play him there instead of upsetting the formation as martial was going fine out left till Sanchez came
It’s a valid option.

Draxler plays mostly on the left and is anything but a Jose player. Lazy Player bigtime

I think other clubs would get a lot more of martial to be honest

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[sean the sailor]

I don’t get the stick lackau gets.
27 goals is an excellent return.

What’s happened to Sanchez though? He was terrible v Leicester

No doubting him. Top player but probably his worst spell for a long time

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Sean-

Watching Sanchez play, it just looks like he is trying too hard. He is a intelligent player, but seems to want to do everything. I agree about his position, thats where most United fans expected him to play when he arrived.

I have to disagree about Martial. Martial did well last season, but he was still inconsistent. He had a extremely poor December from what I remember. His work rate is not up to scratch too and when he loses the ball does not attempt to get it back, something which will frustrate any manager not just Jose. He has the potential to be great, but has Anelka’s attitude. That is who he reminds me of. Deschamp ridiculed him a few years ago for not trying in training and he dropped him for a while after. He comes across as someone who has brilliant potential, but poor attitude. Most United fans I know call him le sulk v2.

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[sean the sailor]

Ye he seems to be a bit like that cm.

I think he has all the attributes to be a good striker but there are runours his attitude is poor

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[nine nine nine]

Better squad inherited, more money spent and better buys just three of the reasons City are better than United.

Big job to do at United now whether Mourinho does it or AN Other does it, it’s a massive task to get United up there alongsidd City and not just a massive task for United either.

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[Editor]

I don’t think the problem at Utd is solely Mourinho or the squad. It’s a frustrating combination of the two.

The squad isn’t good enough to win the league but it’s good enough to do much better than we’re doing. Mourinho has made some poor buys but it’s still an OK squad.

The problem is that Mourinho is a serial winner and can’t handle losing (which good winners can, though?) Not being the best and not getting his number 1 targets frustrates him and turns him into a miserable whinger. This then rubs off on the squad who, as a result, underperform and it becomes a viscous circle.

Sadly, I don’t think the board will back him to the point that he needs backing which means it’s only going to end one way. Like him or loathe him, a happy Mourinho is bad news for most opponents. I just think the cost of making him happy again is a cost the board won’t sanction due to the previous poor buys.

Managers like Pochettino and Klopp don’t desperately crave success to be happy (no offence but if they did, they’d be at Madrid for the easy ride) and thus are able to keep squads happy as a result, despite not winning anything. Mourinho just can’t do that, which will forever be a flaw of his.

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[cm]

Nicely put Ed.

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[Adlab]

A lot of stick for Mourinho. Maybe its deserved but he certainly doesnt help himself with stupid comments about City and the documentary.
Klopp, the hypocrit, getting on the band wagon too with his comments today.
All this so called mind games is old hat.
Utd board dont seem to want to back Mourinho evidenced by the transfer window. That suggests to me that he could be on his way. I cant believe that SAF , Bobby Charlton, Gill and co, never mind Scholes etc havent been in the Boards ear about the style and standard of football particularly when they arepaying Sanchez £26million pounds a year just to stop him going to City and buying Fred for £51m for similar reasons. It has all the signs of Chelsea second time round.

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[sean the sailor]

All managers are hypocrites Adlab. The whole lot of them

Very good Monday night discussion with Neville and Carragher

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[nine nine nine]

Adlab, except at Chelsea second time round Mourinho won the League Cup and the PL in his second season.?

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[nine nine nine]

When United appointed Mourinho they knew he wouldn’t rely on young players and would want to buy ready made players that’s his style of Management.

The Board/Ed Woodward aren’t now prepared to support Mourinho with the players he wants which is the reverse of what happens at City where Pep enjoys a close relationship with Txiki Begiristain which goes back to their Barca days together and who unlike Woodward is a football man.

Additionally the quality of the squad Pep inherited was considerably better than squad Jose inherited and Pep has spent more than Mourinho unhindered by the City Board.

It’s difficult under the current circumstances to see Mourinho going past the end of the Season and it may well all come to an end well before next Summer.

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Adlab

Pep accuses other managers of blaming referees after a loss, then blames refs himself after a loss. Like sean says every manager is a hypocrite.

Watching the Man City documentary Pep tells Wenger he complains about the ref too much. Then when Liverpool played City in the CL Quarter final all pep did was complain about the ref. Hypocrite.

— Seb7 (@Seb479) August 20, 2018

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[Adlab]

Point taken!

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