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[nine nine nine]

Far too sensible Mikus.?

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[Editor]

Well no surprises this weekend! Mourinho now favourite to be first manager to lose his job. He’s not going to last much longer I don’t think. Shame really as the pre-Madrid Mourinho was made for the Utd job. Something happened to him at Madrid and he just lost his spark. He had a certain charm about him in his first Chelsea spell and they played some great football but it just feels like he’s lost what he once had.

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[cm]

That is true Ed.

Saying that during his first Chelsea spell he fell out with the board after RA forced 2 players upon him. Then again at Real Madrid when they did not back him and players went to the press leaking his line ups and tactics, and the same is happening at United in Woodward not supporting him. Only time he actually did well and left on good terms was at Inter. The only board he still gets along with to this day.

I blame Woodward for this. Jose knows the side needed a little tweaking i.e. ball playing centre back and a proper right sided player, yet a ex investment banker thinks he knows how to build a successful side better than a man who has won more PL titles than all the other PL managers combined.

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[Adlab]

You just have indicated the problem. Clubs dont trust him enough to back him in year 3

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[sean the sailor]

So is Jose not to blame for any of utds issue cm and is it all because the 400m he has been given has not been enough? He’s spent 307m net in two years. It’s crazy money

I hope the board stopped short of dishing out 80m that Leicester wanted for Maguire. Crazy money for an average player who had a few decent games in the World Cup

What’s happened to Sanchez? Whose up settling the balance there when martial was doing ok up to Jan with 3 player of the month awards for utd?

It’s easy to bash Jose. He brings it on himself. There pace and power in this team. Some really good players mate and he’s not getting enough out of them but it’s very early days

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[sean the sailor]

By the way good to have you back mate. You do make a valid point about the players. Is there a lack of desire there because the nucleus of this team is very good

De Gea
Bailly – is a very good centre half of he stays fit
Shaw- should be England’s 1st choice left back if he got is act together
Pogba
Matic
Fred
Lackau
Sanchez
Martial
Rashford

All really good players who are not performing like they should or Jose just can’t get them to gel

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[nine nine nine]

How and why Mourinho quit Chelsea in 2007.

Jose Mourinho left Chelsea after a chance meeting with Roman Abramovich in which he dared the club’s owner to sack him.

Although his departure had been brewing for almost a year, with Mourinho threatening to quit and Abramovich considering when to sack him, events unravelled in a matters of hours last week. It shows just how low – and how petty – relations between the two men had become.

According to sources, Abramovich and Mourinho are believed to have simply passed each other in a corridor at Stamford Bridge after the disappointing 1-1 Champions League draw with Rosenborg. Words were then exchanged in English. Abramovich is understood to have told Mourinho that he was disappointed with the performance and hoped the team “could do better”.

The Portuguese bridled at the comment and challenged Abramovich to get rid of him if he was displeased with what he was doing. “If you are not happy with me, then just sack me,” Mourinho is believed to have said. He was told that if he wanted to go he could go – with the manager then agreeing.

The sudden sequence confirms that Mourinho did indeed leave by some form of “mutual consent”, even if sources close to Abramovich also claim that the Russian had decided to dispose of the manager after the equally disappointing league draw at home to Blackburn Rovers the previous Saturday.

However, the petty abruptness will remain as a surprise given what was at stake with Mourinho, who had just under three years left on his £5.2m-a-year contract, receiving a pay-off of £18m. deal includes an agreement barring him from coaching in England until next season to ward off suitors.

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[cm]

Sean-

I am not taking the blame away from Jose. He has made some mistakes along the way and this is probably his biggest job. If United get rid, then who else? People forget United came 2nd last season. That’s their best position post Fergie. The squad still needed tweaking to progress. 400m is a lot of money, but he had to get rid of the dross Van Gaal bought and replace them.

Woodward had a list of 5 players, if he did not like the players on the list, he could gone back to Jose and come to a compromise, he didn’t. He didn’t say anything, which left Jose bewildered. If he does not trust Jose with signings, then why have him there as manager.

This is Woodwards 3rd managerial appointment as CEO, if he gets rid of Jose, then maybe he needs to start looking in the mirror and ask himself if the CEO roles is for him. When he bought in Sanchez, the man was talking about shirt sales rather than how he would improve the United side. You mentioned Willian at 29, would Woodward have a problem with a 29 year old Bale for a big fee. No, because he would have sold shirts.

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[sean the sailor]

I agree cm, no way should he be sacked. Utd would have to start all over again.

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[cm]

Nine

Adding to that. Here is a article from Jose’s mouthpiece Duncan Castles. He was not happy Shevchenko being forced on him when he did not ask for him.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2007/jan/13/newsstory.sport

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[nine nine nine]

CM, there was a general fall out that lasted most of that Season 2006/07 and a disconnect between Roman and Jose over players played it’s part part but in the final analysis it was as my post above and disappointment in performances and results. All very reflective of the current United situation and it is year three. ?

Rumours of Woodward in the dressing room straight after the game whilst Mourinho did
interviews ?

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[Mikus LFC]

The problem is that Mourinho was the reluctant choice taken by the Man Utd board at the time he was appointed. I don’t think he was ever brought in with the long term in mind, rather he was seen as someone who could bring a title even if it wasn’t quite in the way the club wanted. But since his appointment, the club’s transfer strategy hasn’t changed to suit Jose. There’s the problem, and sooner or later, something will have to give. The board has to decide what direction it wants to go in – at the moment, it is working counter to Jose. The problem is the club has invested heavily in players that aren’t quite suited to Jose, and is it not the cheaper option to find a manger better suited to them than to spend another fortune bringing in more of Jose’s type of players??

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[Big Jim]

Classy by MOTD2 yet again (Murphy the cretin) sugesting that Huddersfield should have stood on City players ankles. Wonder if they will ever sugest that against other teams? The BBC really are wank.

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[cm]

I saw that. IMO he did not say it maliciously, he said it tongue in cheek, jokingly suggesting that is the only way to stop this City side.

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[Big Jim]

It’s not the first time Murphy has said that. Last season he sugested it.

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[Anonymous]

both mourinho and guardiola have been given huge amounts of money to spend. the difference is guardiola has spent it well and signed players to suit his style of play. mourinho, doesnt have a set style of play therefore the players he signs arent there to fit in to the team, they are individuals. the players pep has signed (one of two exceptions) have been to the benefit of the team. pep identified weaknesses in the team and fixed them. how many players can you say have fixed problems or improved at united under mourinho?

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[cm]

Both have spent alot, but one has spent alot more and took over a much more healthier squad. Give Jose the extra £150m and he would have got his proper right winger, right back and ball playing centre back, United will look in a much better position. Give Pep £150m less and he would probably still have Zabeleta, Sagna and Bravo, players he struggled with and were exploited during his first seaaon.

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[cm]

Fair dos Jim. But I still believe he means it harmlessly, he is just suggesting as a joke that there is no way of stopping this City side and you will have to resort to that as a joke.

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[Anonymous]

Its easy to say give them the money but there is not much available in fact if you look at Chelsea they bought an expensive keeper but could have gone for a local keeper just as capable for much less tosh and they brought in a player on loan when they already have Barkley, Jorginho, Kante, Drinkwater, Loftus Cheek, Luis is a better player in that position as well. United didn’t get any players cause they weren’t sure who to buy they were even interested in Willian a player who only plays for a few minutes in every game and should not even be a first choice for Chelsea. Woodwords face looked like a spoiled child who could not get his candy after the game.

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[Anonymous]

cm – the difference is what guardiola has spent has been spent well. if you give jose 150m extra and he’ll probably waste it. his transfer record with united is really poor. which players have been a success? lukaku? not really. pogba? definitely not. matic? possibly. mkhitaryan? bailly? lindelof? sanchez? all mourinho signings. hes still an excellent manager which is why he won 2 trophies in his first season and came second last season. had he spent the money hes been given well, then who knows what united would be capable of.

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